Alan of Rosby Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 In the book, Tyrion believes that Joffrey was the one who ordered the assassination attempt with the Valyrian dagger on Joffrey. However, I have a hard time believing that Joffrey was acting alone. Does it stand to reason that Littlefinger was involved in some way? He seemed to want the lion and wolf to be at each other's throats, although his final play isn't entirely clear at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillWork4NinjaPowers Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Littlefinger's involvement was after the fact. He saw it as an opportunity to cause a rift between the Stark's and Lannister's. Joffrey acted on his own. How far are you into the series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Littlefinger's involvement was after the fact. He saw it as an opportunity to cause a rift between the Stark's and Lannister's. Joffrey acted on his own. How far are you into the series? I agree with this point. It is made clear that by the messy way that this whole assassination attempt was planned and executed that it could only have been Joffrey acting alone. Keep in mind that Littlefinger is a MASTER plotter, and he could never do anything so messy, if he had his hand in this plan it would have been executed perfectly and Bran would therefore be dead. Littlefinger did indeed use the failed attempt to his advantage to cause a rift, because by causing this drama he was able to help advance himself. It is all part of a master scheme for himself that hasn't quite ended (at least where I am in AFfC that is) I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan of Rosby Posted September 16, 2011 Author Share Posted September 16, 2011 Littlefinger's involvement was after the fact. He saw it as an opportunity to cause a rift between the Stark's and Lannister's. Joffrey acted on his own. How far are you into the series? Finished aSoS a few weeks ago. I agree with this point. It is made clear that by the messy way that this whole assassination attempt was planned and executed that it could only have been Joffrey acting alone. Keep in mind that Littlefinger is a MASTER plotter, and he could never do anything so messy, if he had his hand in this plan it would have been executed perfectly and Bran would therefore be dead. Littlefinger did indeed use the failed attempt to his advantage to cause a rift, because by causing this drama he was able to help advance himself. It is all part of a master scheme for himself that hasn't quite ended (at least where I am in AFfC that is) I'm sure. The assassination attempt was clumsy but it drove a lot of the events in the series and Littlefinger seems to benefit from them immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Finished aSoS a few weeks ago. The assassination attempt was clumsy but it drove a lot of the events in the series and Littlefinger seems to benefit from them immensely.Yes, Littlefinger does benefit, but it's easy to see how he's using all of this to his advantage. From the way that Petyr Baelish always perfectly executes plans, and the way that he always makes sure there is no trace in a way to go back to him I just don't believe he had any part in this plan. To allow there to be a chance that things could be traced back to him just does not seem logical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4rcane Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 Littlefinger's involvement was after the fact. He saw it as an opportunity to cause a rift between the Stark's and Lannister's. Joffrey acted on his own. How far are you into the series?I wonder if Littlefinger was responsible for Ned Stark beheading. Maybe he hinted it to Joffery, making him think it was his own idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damar Posted October 29, 2011 Share Posted October 29, 2011 I wonder if anyone but the Starks would have thought longer than two seconds why the Lannisters would send an incompetent assassin with a priceless and unique weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlayedMan Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I wonder if anyone but the Starks would have thought longer than two seconds why the Lannisters would send an incompetent assassin with a priceless and unique weapon.I don't understand, are you calling the Starks stupid? Because Joffrey is a full-blooded Lannister, and he sent the incompetent assassin with the priceless weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldplums8 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Joff, really? But what motive would he have? He didn't seem to hate Bran at Winterfell, so I'm suspecting it was, like, I don't know...Lysa Arryn again? To make the Lannister accusation more realistic, I guess? I just have a hard time believing that Joff would have cared enough about some random boy's death to send his precious Valyrian dagger after him. Besides, everyone agrees the attempt was clumsy and Lysa is a big foolish cow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 It was Joff. He hears Robert say something about mercy for cripples, and Joff, in an effort to imitate his father, hires the guy to slit his throat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldplums8 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Ohhhhh. Thank you, ManyFaced. That clears a bunch of stuff up for me. And awww...it's so cute, in a sad way, how Joff tried to be like Robert, his "dad". :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Edward the KnightHawk Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 What ManyFaceOne said. It's also pointed out that Robert always had a good amount of daggers and blades around and was rather careless about keeping track of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeryon Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I wonder if Littlefinger was responsible for Ned Stark beheading. Maybe he hinted it to Joffery, making him think it was his own ideaNope. From what we know of Joffery, it was his own idea. Unless, Baelish claims to suggest it Joffrey somewhere in the last two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soob Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Okay, so, why did the mountain kill Jon Aryn's squire again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Okay, so, why did the mountain kill Jon Aryn's squire again?I think that's just because The Mountain is an asshole. I think Sandor's interpretation was correct: he saw his Gorget wasn't fastened properly, and his first thought is to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillio Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 it was awfully inconvenient for Ned though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 One can wonder if Littlefinger had anything to do with Ser Hugh's enthusiasm for the joust and the unsecured gorget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 One can wonder if Littlefinger had anything to do with Ser Hugh's enthusiasm for the joust and the unsecured gorget...The enthusiasm, wouldn't surprise me. The unsecured gorget? I doubt it. There's no way he could have manipulated that one. Besides, given how Petyr was trying to cause conflict between Stark and Lannister, and the surest way would be for Ned Stark to fortuitously discover the Lannister incest, and end up shoving the ball the rest of the way, I think Petyr was trying to nudge Ned along towards the secret, without showing his hand to all the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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