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And does this mean Kellhus's halo'ed hands are indicative of something that genuinely ties into that judgement framework?

Haven't seen any haloes this series have we? No true-believer PoVs.

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Proyas sees Kellhus with halohands/halo throughout WLW. The Believer-kings also see him with halos (in 3rd pers omniscient sections). Sorweel compares Serwa's hair to her father's halo.

So even after the disturbing convos Proyas still sees the halos.

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If people want to see something in Earwa, does it make it real? We know damnation is objective, but what about the rest of reality? Do people see halos because of their expectation?

Is this bending of reality the reason even false prophecies must be guarded against or supported (whatever the UC is doing)?

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btw, bakker said in the comments on his latest blog post that he's finished his first Atrocity Tale, about the creation of the Consult.

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Thanks for correction Aimless. Was thinking I should check Proyas' sections after posting.

Sciborg, people see what they expect to see. More so in Earwa.

People carry their own little subjective realities around. Topoi, gods and haloes seem to be like areas where they overlap and make reality conform (to lessening extents). Like undirected sorcery.

Extending that logic to prophecy supports your reasoning.

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btw, bakker said in the comments on his latest blog post that he's finished his first Atrocity Tale, about the creation of the Consult.

Nice! Any word on when/how it will be...published? I wondered if perhaps he was just going to add an "Atrocity Tale" section on the blog like the essay section.

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Atrocity Tale finished? Oh thank god, I was worried he was going to go on wanking forever about the injustices of the literati.

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Do people see halos because of their expectation?

If so, why could Kelhus see the halos? Didn't the logos ritual lock away that legion stuff in him? Or if enough people have expectations, does it make some sort of actual halo material manifest? And is it funny that it can form around someone who doesn't believe in himself (not as a prophet, as far as I can tell, anyway).

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But it's not clear whether or not they always see the halos. I think that, at least in the original trilogy, Kellhus himself did not always see them, but for example Serwe always did.

It is my recollection that Proyas sees them pretty much all the time in WLW and that Esmi also did in TJE - am I remembering correctly?

In any case, that is an important detail to consider when trying to parse this.

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Yeah in the original trilogy I remember the halos being more dubious/variable. Though in TJE/WLW other POVs see Kellhus far less often, and we don't have Kellhus PoVs anymore, so there's not as much to work with.

I'm actually pretty sad we don't get Kellhus PoV's anymore, but I suppose he Knows Too Much. Far, far too much. But if Bakker is going to give us a ton of expository info on Earwan metaphysics in the next book maybe that means we can have a Kellhus PoV?

Though writing a Kellhus POV without ruining the mystery of his motives/ultimate plans would be pretty tricky.

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But it's not clear whether or not they always see the halos. I think that, at least in the original trilogy, Kellhus himself did not always see them, but for example Serwe always did.

It is my recollection that Proyas sees them pretty much all the time in WLW and that Esmi also did in TJE - am I remembering correctly?

In any case, that is an important detail to consider when trying to parse this.

Kellhus sees them after the circumfixion.

Serwe sees them on a skin spy impersonating Kellhus. This is the biggest clue that they are a subjective manifestation.

For example, when my son looks at me he sees his father, you would see just some guy. Infered meanings like this have much more importance and 'reality' in Earwa.

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I'm quite curious about these Atrocity Tales. Looking forward to reading them.

Nice! Any word on when/how it will be...published? I wondered if perhaps he was just going to add an "Atrocity Tale" section on the blog like the essay section.

From what I gather, he'll be publishing them on his blog. Not sure if he means to do that before or after The Unholy Consult comes out. I think after.

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I'm quite curious about these Atrocity Tales. Looking forward to reading them.

From what I gather, he'll be publishing them on his blog. Not sure if he means to do that before or after The Unholy Consult comes out. I think after.

I was under the impression he would release them before the next book. I think that's what he said, anyway.

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Serwe sees them on a skin spy impersonating Kellhus. This is the biggest clue that they are a subjective manifestation.

Did she? I'll have to read that again...

But then that nails it - why does Kellhus see them? He's not exactly a Serwe or a Proyas (or even an Akka, who saw them from time to time)? The Dunyain conditioning just isn't good enough to block that out yet?

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Did she? I'll have to read that again...

But then that nails it - why does Kellhus see them? He's not exactly a Serwe or a Proyas (or even an Akka, who saw them from time to time)? The Dunyain conditioning just isn't good enough to block that out yet?

Or maybe just maybe Kellhus is actually objectively blessed.

Such was their desire to believe.

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I was under the impression he would release them before the next book. I think that's what he said, anyway.

Even better.

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Or maybe just maybe Kellhus is actually objectively blessed.

Such was their desire to believe.

Or maybe just maybe Kellhus is actually objectively crazy. ;)

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Who thinks that we'll ever see Mimara's Judging Eye open in front of Kellhus? If we do, it definitely won't be soon. It would answer too many of these questions in one fell stroke.

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Or maybe just maybe Kellhus is actually objectively blessed.

Such was their desire to believe.

Must...resist...urge to engage dissonance of 'objectively'!

But, forfilling, roughly, a whole worlds criteria for blessed, that's a pretty dang big thing! That damn manipulator, Kellhus!

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