sammyjankis Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I thought that after the Blackwater fighting Stannis army was very little. On the wall his army seems to be big because he easily wins against the free folk. Did I miss something? Did he recruit new troops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 No, he only has a couple thousand survivors left. It's just that the Free Folk are crap troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soob Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 As I understand it, they were taken by surprise, not just by the attack but by the strength of it. Rayder counterattacks thinking hes charging a few hundred night's watch and ends up getting captured. The rest rout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damar Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 Them being in armor and being better at large scale warfare than fur-clad raiders gave Stannis the edge along with attacking in the flank and Mance mistaking them for a a hundred Eastwatch men at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyjankis Posted October 24, 2011 Author Share Posted October 24, 2011 But how did he feed a couple thousand people on his small island dragonstone. By the way how big is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well, I'm guessing sea-based produce would feature heavily. Probably quite ruinous getting feed for the horses off Sallador though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 But how did he feed a couple thousand people on his small island dragonstone. By the way how big is it?He didn't exactly stay there very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wightman Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 But how did he feed a couple thousand people on his small island dragonstone. By the way how big is it?Just a guesstimate using measuring tools and a reference of 3000 miles from the wall to the southern coast of Dorne, it looks to be at least 40miles long by 20-ish wide. Easily big enough to feed many thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Salt_Wife Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I thought that after the Blackwater fighting Stannis army was very little. On the wall his army seems to be big because he easily wins against the free folk. Did I miss something? Did he recruit new troops?Stannis' men were just better trained, better equipped and more disciplined. The only advantage the Wildlings had was their numbers, but the fact that they were totally taken by surprise even took that away from them.It's a fairly realistic depiction imho. Read up on Caesar's campaign in Gaul, it was rare for him to have superior numbers and he scarcely even used all of his legions, not trusting those who had net yet been blooded enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Stannis owns, that's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blangadanger Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 I find it odd that out of all those men Mance had, no scout detected a significant force surrounding them. I always thought, right or wrong, Mance was a smart man who knew how to prepare himself for battle, but in this case he was absolutely overwhelmed due to lack of any preparation. If Stannis had faced the Wildlings head on, they might've still stood a chance because of superior armor, but it would have been very costly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Salt_Wife Posted January 3, 2012 Share Posted January 3, 2012 Mance had no reason to believe any sort of reinforcements were coming.He knew that the gate at Castle Black was only guarded by a small skeleton crew. He also knew that the cream of the Night's Watch had been lost on the Fist of the First Men.Don't forget that even the Black Brothers were surprised that a King actually answered their call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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