Could Lightbringer be the Night's Watch?

[Kahl Trollo]

It's going to be Tormunds member, after he bangs Melisandre thus fulfilling the prophecy.

[The guy from the Vale]

Aemon quote, when Stannis and Melisandre show him the sword, after he leave the room, he asks Sam:

"Does it have some heat? I couldn't sense any heat at all" and Sam answer: "It's looks like fire burning, but there's no heat on it." (My quotes are not exact from the book)

So, Aemon believe that the sword is really supposed to exist in fact, and that the sword with Stannis is just a silly trick, :)

(sorry for any grammar error, 1st post here)

And why would Aemon be right? I don't think it's a coincidence that Aemon is, ultimately, a blind man - he is wise (the blind seer and all that), but he is also unable to see what is in front of his nose: That the NW is Lightbringer, and that Jon Snow is tPtwP, and actually the Targaryen heir he is so desperately longing for.

[chimere]

Sorry if this has been said, I only read the last 3 pages, BUT unless I am totally missing the point(which is possible), then Lightbringer can't be a sword as the only blacksmith in all of Westeros is Gendry. Okay I'm embellishing a little but Gendry and Tobho Mott are the only two named blacksmiths that are alive, and unless GRRM is ridiculosuly trolling us, AAR is not gonna be Tobho Mott. It would also be a weird twist for him to be Gendry as Gendry isn't as developed a character as Dany or Jon. Either AAR is Dany and Lightbringer is her dragons, or it's Jon and the nights watch.

[The Wolf In Winterfell]

I'd like to think Lightbringer is a metaphor of the Night's Watch.

I am the sword in the darkness, I am the watcher on the Wall, I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn

I could be mistaken.. Dammit Mr Martin!!

[Gregor's Nancy Boy]

Nice theory but I'm more inclined to believe it really is a literal sword. I have a theory of my own (well, it's not really self-conceived but I like it). Dany begins to go mad by the time she reaches Westeros so Melisandre tells Jon to stab her through the heart with Longclaw in order to forge Lightbringer. Yes, Dany is destined to be Jon Snow's Nissa. I'm thinking it's Longclaw because I don't see him swapping swords. Unless he gives it back to House Mormont through Jorah.

[clearerphish]

Sorry if this has been said, I only read the last 3 pages, BUT unless I am totally missing the point(which is possible), then Lightbringer can't be a sword as the only blacksmith in all of Westeros is Gendry. Okay I'm embellishing a little but Gendry and Tobho Mott are the only two named blacksmiths that are alive, and unless GRRM is ridiculosuly trolling us, AAR is not gonna be Tobho Mott. It would also be a weird twist for him to be Gendry as Gendry isn't as developed a character as Dany or Jon. Either AAR is Dany and Lightbringer is her dragons, or it's Jon and the nights watch.

Don't forget Tobho Mott is the one that reforged Ice into Oathkeeper and Widow's Wail. Gendry was his apprentice.

I still think it is in Lyanna's statue, having been brought back by Ned along with Jon. something happened with that sword at TOJ. the sword in the stone. and I can see Jon finding out who his real mother is, going in that crypt, and wailing at it with his Mormont sword. when it cracks, there it is. now it could happen to be something different, sure, lots of theories, but I think this one makes sense. a lot of sense.

I have been thinking of Lyanna's statue the whole way through this thread - Lyanna was not supposed to have a statue, only the Stark Kings were given statues. i always felt that was a pretty straightforward acknowledgement that R+L=J (making her a princess). I've felt like Lyanna's statue was what Jon is meant to find in the crypts. Would be crazy if Dark Sister or Blackfyre or Dawn or Lighbringer were inside the statue with a parchment note for Jon...

[Leif]

I think at this point Lightbringer could be anything and anyone.

[JonNonRegis]

Dany begins to go mad by the time she reaches Westeros so Melisandre tells Jon to stab her through the heart with Longclaw

Excellent. Anything that involves Dany being stabbed in the heart sounds good to me.

(Never mind ol' Lightbringer. Which, btw, isn't the Watch...)

[daario's man]

I've heard alot abot this theory and thread before but have never found it to read. I'm not 100% behind it but the way it's put together makes it as credible as any other theory except for maybe R+L=J.

[Daecon Dayne]

Dawn, forged from the heart of a dying fallen star, seems like the obvious candidate. Personally, I've a penchant for believing that the prophecies will ultimately be exposed as drivel, or at least very distorted versions of some original story/truth. I'd like to see Dawn make an appearance, though. 'Lightbringer' and 'The Sword (or light) of the Morning" both seem quite synonymous with the Judeo-Christian angel, Lucifer, which is interesting. There could well be a tragic, sinister twist to the whole AA prophecy.

[MannyAntony]

Lightbringer could be the lord commander they have killed 2 already.!

[vivatforx]

It took thirty-five posts for anyone to even mention the Salladhor Saan's recounting the story of Lightbringer's origins. That really bummed me out. According to the story, it took three attempts at forging an actual sword to get it right. Stabbed it right though Nissa Nissa's heart. Now I know the point of the original post is not to take the prophesies literally, but seeing as how Apple Martini left this out entirely, because it doesn't really suit his theory, makes me more than skeptical of this idea. You don't leave out evidence that doesn't work for your claim. That isn't how research works.

I think it's a tad redundant to suggest that we don't take prophesies literally, when most of them are drowned in symbolism anyway. However, that doesn't change that some of them have been proven correct, or partially correct. A ton of what Bran saw in his dream as he was waking up from his coma has come to pass, such as

He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was as dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.

Sansa crying herself to sleep at night? Check. Arya watching in silence and keeping her secrets? Check. Should we have been looking for these three guys to literally stand together? No, but was the general gist that these three figures would play a large role in the Stark future correct? Well considering that the third is probably Ser Robert Strong, I would say its got a great chance. And still, like I said, some of the prophesies are partially correct.

I could go on and on. The bride of death seems to be coming true as well. The first was always Drogo, the second seems to be Victarion, and the third really could be Jon Snow at this point. One husband died with her, one died trying to become her husband, and one of her husbands has been dead is how that one seems to be translated. So no she isn't going to literally be with a blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice, but... well hopefully you get my point. Bran and the two Walders didn't eat meat together in a scene that matched Jojen's greendream, but Bran sure was upset with the bloody meat served up at the Red Wedding.

So, yeah not taking them literally is no difficult feat. But, in this particular case, there is the troubling fact that a literal sword seems to have existed at some point. Sorry about the pun.

Thirty-five posts before anyone even mentioned Salladhor Saan's story? That's disappointing.

For the record, I think the Night's Watch has a significant role to play. I just don't know what it is yet. And, I am one of those who thinks Jon's death and... sorry... literal rebirth also provides a means for him to leave the Night's Watch. Not that he for sure will, but it could be an out.

[The Mother of The Others]

Also, no one's mentioned that the Watch is boring, so if the Watch = Lightbringer that means Lightbringer is boring.

I want an exciting Lightbringer, like Howard Stern.

[The Dragon has three heads]

Alright, alright, why isn't anyone talking about beric? His blood ignites his sword.

His blood.

The sword isn't flaming until he, A corpse, brought back to life by either a "gawd" or very old, old magic, cuts himself on the blade.

So, blood, and magic or...a gawd...hmm.

Now.

That would infer, to me at least, one of two things.

Nissa was either "dead" or at least, reanimated-because the evidence in the text supports that a reanimated corpses' blood-specifially by the red lot, can ignite a sword.

Or she was sacrificed, like varys parts, like mirror maz durr, like summer hall, as part of a probably borderline 'evil' blood magic ritual as a last resort to stop the invasion-probably somewhere around Dorne...either way...

If this sword was forged from a meteorite and was milky white, when flushed with blood it would be a bloody red flaming sword.

The Daynes have a title, for the person who carries Dawn. The sword of the morning.

It's either the biggest red herring or the most obvious answer.

You choose.

[Stannis Lives]

I think the wildings and melisandre will save Jon in some fashion. Probably kill the nights watch. The wildings led by Jon, the king of the north, will defend the realm they so despised because they alone know how serious the issue is. Fire will factor into Jon's revival and long laws "transformation". Maybe he will need to stab melisandre in the heart and she will bind her soul to long claw. I don't believe the nw is lghtbringer because they are too incompetent and without honor. The wildings will surprise after Jon's speech.

[slimity]

you guys drive me crazy with these amazing theories! :bowdown: how could I be so blind when reading the books??? I'm Mel, I read one thing and understand another! No, actually I'm not even as good as Mel. I'm Hot Pie, people cry out for Winterfell and I cry out "Hot Pieeeeeeeeeeeee" :uhoh:

Laughed so hard when I read that. I feel the same way, though.

[Onna Lewyys]

I am obsessed with this theory. OBSESSED WITH IT.

[GCabot]

I like this theory, especially given its implications.

I mean the NW is basically one big Westeros eugenics program. They send all the criminals, bastards, and other "unwanteds" to what is basically the Siberian gulag, where they are forced to foresake women, thus ensuring their genes die with them.

How sweet would it be if it's not the kings, knights, and other nobility that drive back the Others, but instead the band of outcast misfits they denigrated all this time? That might force Westerosi society to rethink a few things.

[MidnightAurora]

It would make sense if someone engulfed their essence or something into the Wall that the Night Watch defends and walks..

[King of Winters]

Dawn, forged from the heart of a dying fallen star, seems like the obvious candidate. Personally, I've a penchant for believing that the prophecies will ultimately be exposed as drivel, or at least very distorted versions of some original story/truth. I'd like to see Dawn make an appearance, though. 'Lightbringer' and 'The Sword (or light) of the Morning" both seem quite synonymous with the Judeo-Christian angel, Lucifer, which is interesting. There could well be a tragic, sinister twist to the whole AA prophecy.

I done a topic a while back where I said that the original Lightbringer could be Dawn as well as Dragonsteel and AA/LH wielded it and defeated The Others.

And this time AAR/LH/TPTWP (Jon) could wield Dawn again but not as Lightbringer, but just as Dragonsteel to use against The Others, as they can't stand it, and use the NW as Lightbringer this time.