Sandor Clegane v.12

[brashcandy]

Sandor discussion continued:

In the last thread the recent topics revolved around Sandor as hero/anti-hero, his symbolic marriage to Sansa, the legitimacy of those KG vows etc.

[brashcandy]

@Little horn,

I think you were asking about when Sandor took those celibacy vows. This was a part of his vows for the Kingsguard position when he had to forsake having a wife and lands.

[Silmarien]

Well, Sandor left the KG, right? Why does celibacy still apply? He was also never a "Ser" and never took Knightly vows.

(Btw, hi! I missed you guys! <3<3<3 Sandor B) )

[Quint]

I like Sandor but I don't like who they chose to play him in the series, he looks too old for Sansa.

[voodooqueen126]

@Little horn,

I think you were asking about when Sandor took those celibacy vows. This was a part of his vows for the Kingsguard position when he had to forsake having a wife and lands.

But his appointment to the Kingsguard was invalid for atleast 3 reasons:

1) He wasn't a knight

2) Barristan Selmy was still alive

3) Joffrey, being a bastard without a drop Targaryen blood, had no claim to the throne and therefore his appointments, laws etc are invalid.

[Candor]

I like Sandor but I don't like who they chose to play him in the series, he looks too old for Sansa.

The trade off being he's damn good at the role. Just watch him in episodes, lack of lines is made up for by the really good nonverbal cues, facial expressions, and body language in general

:P

Rory McCann is a badass choice for Sandor in my mind.

But his appointment to the Kingsguard was invalid for atleast 3 reasons:

1) He wasn't a knight

2) Barristan Selmy was still alive

3) Joffrey, being a bastard without a drop Targaryen blood, had no claim to the throne and therefore his appointments, laws etc are invalid.

This.

[Zmeischa]

Brienne in AFfC says that destrier is a weapon, so it is wise to care about your weapon. But lots of knights in Weteros don't even give names to their horses, because they get killed in the battles so often. Sandor's relationship with Stranger is much more personal :).

[Call me Odie]

The trade off being he's damn good at the role. Just watch him in episodes, lack of lines is made up for by the really good nonverbal cues, facial expressions, and body language in general

:P

Rory McCann is a badass choice for Sandor in my mind.

Rory is the main reason why I LOVE the Hound. I liked him before but Rory made him more sensible and human.

And he is hot as hell.

[Gillio]

I agree he does a good job. I bet he's one that has read the books.

[den_lange_sommer_31]

I agree he does a good job. I bet he's one that has read the books.

Actually i think Rory said that he's never heard of the series before getting the part (Or maybe that was Charles Dance? (Tywin Lannister) not sure, so many of the other actors didn't know of the books so i could just be generalizing him in the bunch) He was homeless before getting the part, and i think living in Iceland.

I have to agree, having had a crush on Rory McCann before his portrayal of Sandor Clegane, i was ecstatic that he got the role (even if he is to old for the part, I'll take great acting over appropriate age, same with Peter Dinklage who much older than book-Tyrion however i cant envision a different actor who would capture him as perfectly).. i am highly impressed with how wonderfully Rory brings the character to life. To pull off the body language/non-dialogue scenes shows how great of an actor he is. He actually made me love Sandor Clegane more, if that was possible lol

[voodooqueen126]

Speaking of the Quiet Isle, does anybody think about what kind of atheist Sandor is?

Because I reckon there are 2 kinds of atheists:

those that do not find God convincing and do not care...

and those that don't think God could exist in a world where such evil exists.

Now if we substitute the word "God" for "the Seven" then the latter very much applies to Sandor.

He is one of those people who seem very angry at God for failing them, rather than those who find religion a bit silly and are therefore indifferent.

I think the people who are angry at God are more likely to have a Heel Face Turn and become religious.

[den_lange_sommer_31]

I agree, he seems like the kind where he finds it hard to believe any kind of God would allow all the bad things in the world to happen rather than former you mentioned. I can never see Sandor's character as one that would actually become like the men of the QI, however i can see him start to apply the Seven to his everyday life, and find peace in doing so in some way. I think he may be the kind to pull a semi-heel-face turn instead of a full one.

[Candor]

Speaking of the Quiet Isle, does anybody think about what kind of atheist Sandor is?

Because I reckon there are 2 kinds of atheists:

those that do not find God convincing and do not care...

and those that don't think God could exist in a world where such evil exists.

Now if we substitute the word "God" for "the Seven" then the latter very much applies to Sandor.

He is one of those people who seem very angry at God for failing them, rather than those who find religion a bit silly and are therefore indifferent.

I think the people who are angry at God are more likely to have a Heel Face Turn and become religious.

I would definitely roll with option 2 on that. That seems to sum up the vibe I've gotten from Sandor at any mention of religion, usually thanks to Sansa, the pious one. :rolleyes: I think he's quite jaded and that contributes to his lack of interest in following a faith. His attitude seems to be "Yeah, they won't protect you, they don't seem to be doing anything for you, so bugger them all."

[den_lange_sommer_31]

Rory McCann :bowdown: and simultaneously, :drool: .

I'm really looking forward to Season 2, where his character gets a more expanded role. Lots of great scenes of Sandor coming up!

Me too, i just hope that we get a lot of make up scenes for all the Sandor stuff that was cut from series 1 with added Sandor stuff in series 2... Kinda hoping we see some added scenes between him and Joffery, so we can get a better insight into their relationship. Stuff that the books never really went into or explored. However if none of this comes to be, series 3 can not avoid all the Sandor-ness that takes place with Arya!

[den_lange_sommer_31]

I would definitely roll with option 2 on that. That seems to sum up the vibe I've gotten from Sandor at any mention of religion, usually thanks to Sansa, the pious one. :rolleyes: I think he's quite jaded and that contributes to his lack of interest in following a faith. His attitude seems to be "Yeah, they won't protect you, they don't seem to be doing anything for you, so bugger them all."

It would seem that Jaime has the same attitude toward the Seven and the Old Gods, they both seem to feel that the only protection you will receive and be granted is the one you grant yourself, whether it be with a sword of whatnot.

[Candor]

It would seem that Jaime has the same attitude toward the Seven and the Old Gods, they both seem to feel that the only protection you will receive and be granted is the one you grant yourself, whether it be with a sword of whatnot.

"Steel and strong arms rule this world, don't ever believe any different." - Sandor.

[Villemo]

Speaking of the Quiet Isle, does anybody think about what kind of atheist Sandor is?

Because I reckon there are 2 kinds of atheists:

there is third kind of atheist: Sandor style AKA "bugger that" :P

I really love Rory but still I think he is too nice to be Sandor :)

[voodooqueen126]

I agree, he seems like the kind where he finds it hard to believe any kind of God would allow all the bad things in the world to happen rather than former you mentioned. I can never see Sandor's character as one that would actually become like the men of the QI, however i can see him start to apply the Seven to his everyday life, and find peace in doing so in some way. I think he may be the kind to pull a semi-heel-face turn instead of a full one.

Hmn have you seen the show "the Monastery"

in which 5 secular (except for the Irish Ulster terrorist), non catholic blokes spend 6 weeks in a Benedictine monastery...

At the end of those 6 weeks, one dude was considered becoming an Anglican priest, the 3 agnostics where changing their lives and believed in God (one gave up working in the soft porn business), and the Irish Ulsterman (who was a pretty extreme protestant) was starting to wonder if he was "called to a single life"...

So if that's the effect that 6 weeks with some Benedictines, in our secular society where there is so much proof against the Bible, and one could actually express moral qualms against Catholicism and the Bible itself (for instance today people criticise the Pentateuch for cruel and unusual punishments like stoning or burning, but a Medieval person wouldn't be able to criticise that, since they believed in punishments far more horrific). It had that strong effect.

Imagine the effect of spending 6+ with the equivalent of Carthusians, in a medieval world, having being brought up religious, no theory of evolution or scientific method, no moral qualms against execution, after a near death experience from which the abbot had saved your life...

[Son of Jon Snarkgaryen]

I think the people who are angry at God are more likely to have a Heel Face Turn and become religious.

What does "Heel Face Turn" mean?

[Zmeischa]

I think the people who are angry at God are more likely to have a Heel Face Turn and become religious.

I agree. You cannot be angry and someone you don't believe in :)