Ladywhiskers Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 What if Tyrion is not really the Valonquar (little brother) foretold by Maggy? Maybe Cersei took the "little" part too literally because there are plenty of younger brothers running around. Just off the top of my head, the following characters are all younger brothers: Bran, Rickon, Stannis, Tommen, Theon and even Trystane Martell. Also, possibly Edric Dayne (we don't know if he has any older siblings but he might), and I can't remember if Jaime was born first or if Cersei was (wouldn't that be the twist of all twists?)And of course Aegon is a candidate because he was the younger of Rhaegar's two kids - that is, if you believe he really is Aegon.Jaime is the younger twin. He came out of the womb holding Cersei's heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Eddard Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I gave it some more thought at I realized Jaime probably isn't the Valonquar. Killing Cersei would negate his whole journey of self-discovery. He doesn't seem to regret what he did with her in the past; he just doesn't want to do it any more. Besides, he's already turned his back on Cersei. I think that's all the "new" Jaime is likely to do to her.I have a weird feeling it's going to be Tommen...somehow.I feel like it will be Jaime. I don't think that Jaime killing Cersei would negate his self deiscovery and trying to reclaim his honor if he did it in defense of the King or even in defense of somone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky316 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Tyrion is the obvious choice to Cersei but that would be way too easy in this series.For that reason I think it probably is him, there have been times Martin has told us what's going to happen (Danys vision and Robbs fate spring to mind) but it's dismissed. I like the poetic irony and twist that the reader has got so convinced of Cersei's growing insanity and paranoia and it to turn out she was right all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Ricardo Ferreira Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What if Tyrion is not really the Valonquar (little brother) foretold by Maggy? Maybe Cersei took the "little" part too literally because there are plenty of younger brothers running around. Just off the top of my head, the following characters are all younger brothers: Bran, Rickon, Stannis, Tommen, Theon and even Trystane Martell. Also, possibly Edric Dayne (we don't know if he has any older siblings but he might), and I can't remember if Jaime was born first or if Cersei was (wouldn't that be the twist of all twists?)And of course Aegon is a candidate because he was the younger of Rhaegar's two kids - that is, if you believe he really is Aegon.Jaime IS younger than Cersei. By minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotera Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 It seems too obvious for it to be Tyrion and as dramatic as it would be for Jaime to kill her I don't see it as likely. But it might be Stannis, Bran i mean I'm tired of Lannister asses on the throne but I feel like it might just be Danaerys i mean with the line by Aemon about dragons gender and Danaerys taking on blood riders it's just a "hmmm?" kinda thought :)I don't know really the word little brother is vague enough to be anyone but also hold onto some omnious nature.personal i think it would be perfect if it was Tommen i love the little guy and i mean he's Joff's little brother.It will probably end up being someone random enough though like Brynden Blackfish but w/e :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessalyn Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Well, if it was Jaime, I'm guessing he'll have to get to a "point of no return"-- maybe he's already there? He'd become a kinslayer as well as a kingslayer, so not sure what would drive him to that.Who knows, but I honestly doubt it will be Tyrion-- well, maybe. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di0p Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Littlefinger is my guess. He worked with the Tyrells to kill Joffrey and based on his conversations with Sansa he has a strong distaste for Cersei and the way she is running the realm. To increase his own power he will probably work with the Tyrells to try and remove Myrcella and Tommen and plant himself back as a high lord in Highgarden or somewhere near Kings Landing.Little Brother = Little Finger....me thinks its possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beneath the Gold Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 For that reason I think it probably is him, there have been times Martin has told us what's going to happen (Danys vision and Robbs fate spring to mind) but it's dismissed. I like the poetic irony and twist that the reader has got so convinced of Cersei's growing insanity and paranoia and it to turn out she was right all along.That would suffice :) . The word may also turn out to be gender-neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addie Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I may relate this topic to the "Jaime and Cersei" topic in this forum : I think Jaime will be the cause of the downfall and death of Cersei, but I wouldn't be surprised that Cersei takes Jaime to his grave too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessalyn Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Littlefinger is my guess. He worked with the Tyrells to kill Joffrey and based on his conversations with Sansa he has a strong distaste for Cersei and the way she is running the realm. To increase his own power he will probably work with the Tyrells to try and remove Myrcella and Tommen and plant himself back as a high lord in Highgarden or somewhere near Kings Landing. Little Brother = Little Finger....me thinks its possible. This is quite possible. Petyr seems to have quite a lot of forward-thinking, a lot more than any other characters, that's for sure...Also, Cat looked at Petyr as a brother-- So it could be a play on words. As we know, not all prophesies are read/understood correctly, there's always a little wiggle room.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crown Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I may relate this topic to the "Jaime and Cersei" topic in this forum : I think Jaime will be the cause of the downfall and death of Cersei, but I wouldn't be surprised that Cersei takes Jaime to his grave too.Definitely, if she goes down she'll most likely take someone with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qhorin Halfhand and Yoren Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I think its Jamie who will kill Cersei after Cersei is somehow responsble for the death of one (the final one alive) of their children or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjmarsh Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I think that it is going to be the Mountians "Little" Brother in Trial by Champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
is winter here yet ? Posted February 9, 2012 Share Posted February 9, 2012 the signs at the end of Crows are clearly a throw off to keep us guessing , it has to be tyrion i believe , and i think both cersei and margeary are in enough trouble to count miss tryrell out of the race as the 'young queen',, so that leaves dany , or arya , but tryion is definately the valonqar , i think this one time , martin is beng quite literal ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightningLord7 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 In another thread I said I believe that the Valonqar could be a gender neutral word. This confusion also happens with another word in the books. And both words were High Valyrian, if I recall correctly,For who is curious, beware of a ADWD spoiler:Cersei asked what 'valonqar' meant, it was 'younger brother'.It could be a gender neutral term.She could be murdered by the younger brother / the younger sister.We know Queen Cersei is on Arya's short list of people to kill.Arya has learned the tricks and the trade of killing.In ADWD she has done her first ordered 'hit' and she has done a few of her own initiative.It could be the meaning of getting Arya to Braavos and for her being educated there and bring her back in the Westeros story with something that is important for the story. My only problem with that is, where/who said it was gender neutral term? It would be sweet if that was the case though. Like others have said i believe it is Jaime... he already starting to lose his affection for her, and who knows something may happen to cause him to have alot of animosity towards her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckal Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 I would love to see Jaime kill Cersei.Now THAT would be a sweet story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KayJenx Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 oh why did I not find this forum before. I do agree that Jaime is the younger twin, which means its possible. And although it would be great if he is the one to Kill her I think I would appreciate it from Tyrion more. Simply because after everything I have grown to like Jaime, and I think he has changed. Tyrion deserves to be the one to kill her because of all the hell she has put him through with her stupidity, selfishness and paranoia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alester Florent Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 There are a couple of things I'd consider. Firstly is that Cersei is never right about anything. Thus she's focussed all her attention on Tyrion her whole life, refusing to believe that he's anything other than the valonqar, while ignoring (for those purposes) the fact that she has another brother. Moreover, as Jaime starts to become more of an individual, rather than a reflection of herself, during his "redemption arc" in AFfC in particular, Cersei doesn't have much time for him. She seems to hold both her brothers in contempt, but she's only concerned about one of them.However, it might be that her insisting to herself that Tyrion is the valonqar and treating him appropriately has provided the necessary motive for him to become it. It's the sort of stupid thing she'd do.Narratively, I think Jaime's doing her in would be most satisfying. The most narratively satisfying route seems the one less travelled in this story, though: Martin seems to prefer his plot acs (artfully) tattered and messy. Of course, it doesn't have to be literal. His refusal to help her and burning her letter could be "killing" her by proxy, albeit it's hard to see how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckal Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 Adelstein-Who is Ser Robert Strong? Did I forget something from AFFC or is this a spoiler from ADWD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alester Florent Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 It's an ADwD spoiler, sorry. I thought he had appeared in AFfC but apparently not. I've edited the original post to remove it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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