Elaena Targaryen Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I really don’t get why Alysane Mormont, the heir of Bear Island, is with King Stannis. Does anyone have theories? In the chapter “The King’s Prize” Asha heard the wolves (north men including Aly) insist; “Roose Bolton could not be suffered to hold Winterfell, and the Ned’s girl must be rescued from the clutches of his bastard.” So is that it? Does Aly really need to be with Stannis to do that? Does Bear Island have close relations with the mountain clans? We already know how they feel from the letter Lyanna Mormont sent to Stannis or is the young girl being loyal like Wylla Manderly? If it’s like Wylla can Aly be part of a northern conspiracy? What would her role with Stannis entail? We suspect Aly’s mother, Maege Mormont, is at Greywater Watch with Howland Reed, Galbart Glover, and Jason Mallister. Aly claims her sisters, Lyra and Jorella, are with their mother Maege. So should we now suspect movement from this area? Does anyone have theories?Also I’m curious if anyone thinks the Mormonts are skinchangers. When Aly tells Asha she has a nine year old daughter and a two year old son Asha asks if she is married. Aly replies, “No. My children were fathered by a bear.” Obviously this is a joke but is she implying she is not married or something more? It could imply she is a tough warrior type and people tease her. But Aly then states Mormont women are skinchangers, into bears, which a bear is their sigil. On a side note I often wonder about the magical aspect of northern houses and their sigils.I also wonder why Aly is with Stannis because of the difference of religions. Aly is very offended by the burning of the Peasburry men. All the north men seem to be offended by this sacrifice. Big Bucket Wull says ‘Red Rahloo means nothing here. You will only make the old gods angry.” Aly also takes Asha out to see the weirwood tree on the island and Asha said the sap looked like blood.So, to finish, why is Alysane with Stannis? She really could be somewhere else. Why is Stannis letting her stay considering how he feels about women? Is it for an escort to Asha? Please remember to use spoiler tags if you comment on the sample chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 1. I think Alysane Mormont is with Stannis to help get Winterfell away from Bolton and to save "Arya." The Mormonts want to be represented and to know what's going on. I don't think it needs to be anymore complicated than that.2. I definitely think that the Mormonts warg bears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 1,The question is, does Aly know about Robb's will? Even if not, maybe Mormots just want to know what kind of man Stannis is, do you remember what happened when Robb become in fact lord? Every one of his bannermen tested him to see if he is competent enough. 2, I sooo want to see Jorah telling Dany about skinchangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarah.jenice Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I agree that the Mormonts are skinchangers and would love to see some bears fighting with the Mormont women.I feel like they should know about Robb's will, and I like the idea that they could be testing Stannis to see if he is a competent king. The North's strength was vastly depleted by the Red Wedding, and I could see them wanting to ally with Stannis - especially considering that he will help them fight the Others and cares about defending the realm (thanks again, Davos). Do we ever learn when Alysanne joined up with Stannis? I can't really remember. I'd really like to see Maege and Howland Reed arrive with Robb's will and a bunch of cragonmen with poisoned arrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Jon Snow Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The fact that Alysane knows that her sisters are with her mother would imply that there has been some communication between Alysane and her mother.My guess is that Alysane is there to swear allegiance to Stannis, if and when Stannis restores Winterfel to the Starks. And I would wager that she would be speaking not only for the Mormonts, but also for the Glovers, the Reeds, and a smattering of other northern houses. The North Remembers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tini Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Alysane Mormont's presence tells me only that the Boltons/Lannisters/Freys hold no Mormont hostages. Every northern family not looking to rescue hostages seems to consider joining Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The GRRumbler Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wasn't she one of the captives captured be Asha when she took Deepwood Motte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miriel Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wasn't she one of the captives captured be Asha when she took Deepwood Motte?I don't think so. She seems to be already w/ Stannis when he takes Deepwood Motte from Asha. So was she w/ the Northern clans when Stannis went visiting? Or did she come from Bear Island with the specific intent to join Stannis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babyberic Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Wasn't she one of the captives captured be Asha when she took Deepwood Motte?Wiki says she joined Stannis after he restored Deepwood Motte to the Glovers, then becomes one of Asha's guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The Mormonts have declared that there is only one King in the North and he is a Stark.I fail to see why they would be willing to swear to Stannis. I think they want to USE Stannis to get rid of the Boltons, and then when they have Winterfell back, to declare Robb's will and put Jon on the throne as King in the North.They have no desire to swear to Stannis whatsoever. This is a fantasy dreamed up by Stannis supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim87 Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 The Mormonts have declared that there is only one King in the North and he is a Stark.I fail to see why they would be willing to swear to Stannis. I think they want to USE Stannis to get rid of the Boltons, and then when they have Winterfell back, to declare Robb's will and put Jon on the throne as King in the North.They have no desire to swear to Stannis whatsoever. This is a fantasy dreamed up by Stannis supporters.I hope this is true, and it really does not make sense for them to change opinion so fast. I am really hoping for a grand northern conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bemused Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Stannis tells Jon in his letter from Deepwood Motte ,that he recieved her help unlooked for. She and her folowers came in fishing boats and wrought havoc among the Ironborn ships..as I recall.He doesn't say she's actually sworn to him, just helped him out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Stannis tells Jon in his letter from Deepwood Motte ,that he recieved her help unlooked for. She and her folowers came in fishing boats and wrought havoc among the Ironborn ships..as I recall.He doesn't say she's actually sworn to him, just helped him out... This is correct she attacked Ashas ships at Sea Dragon Point I believe. When Stannis recieved his reply from Lyanna Mormont Jon found it very odd. I believe Lyanna is 9, maybe Alysane didn't want to risk putting anything down in writing and wanted to see how Stannis proceeded.She might not have joined him at all if Stannis had marched on the Dreadfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wouter Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 This is correct she attacked Ashas ships at Sea Dragon Point I believe. When Stannis recieved his reply from Lyanna Mormont Jon found it very odd. I believe Lyanna is 9, maybe Alysane didn't want to risk putting anything down in writing and wanted to see how Stannis proceeded.She might not have joined him at all if Stannis had marched on the Dreadfort.I agree, little Lyanna Mormont likely was allowed to sign the letter because the Mormonts could always disavow what the girl wrote (she didn't know any better etc.), should they decide to go with Stannis after all.A possibility is that Alysanne, in the meantime, learnt that Robb had named Jon as his heir and also that Jon was now advising Stannis on how to gain supporters in the north. Since Robb's heir seemed to be following Stannis as a result, Alysanne may have thought it OK to join him and see how he treats the north (which seems to be fine as of the Theon sample chapter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klye Condon Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Stannis tells Jon in his letter from Deepwood Motte ,that he recieved her help unlooked for. She and her folowers came in fishing boats and wrought havoc among the Ironborn ships..as I recall.He doesn't say she's actually sworn to him, just helped him out...I,ve always wondered about that myself.How convenient that her fishing fleet turned up off sea dragon point at almost the exact same time that Stannis arrived at Deepwood Motte. The only explanation is that the clans were in contact with the mormonts.What else have the clans told the mormonts and the mormonts told the clans- ie Brans still alive,robbs will etc.Have the mormonts (and the clans for that matter) sworn to follow stannis now or is it just an alliance against the boltons.I,m sure that stannis is interpreting it one way but that doesn,t make it so.The northern houses will never actually turn on stannis now- they are honorable and he has treated them honorably.He has protected the north from the wildlings, the Ironmen and the boltons and they owe him now.But they will pay the debt in their own way I imagine.I certainly don,t think the northern houses which have joined with stannis plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Jon Snow Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 If you assume that the Mormounts knew that Stannis had moved on Deepwood Motte from the mountain clans then it's interesting to figure in that Alysanne probably has an idea that Bran is alive (from the Littles/mountain clans) which means Rickon is presumed alive as well (and by default maybe her view of Theon isn't so horrible). If she's also in contact with her mother in Greywater Watch, then Alsyanne could also know about Robb's will to name Jon king of the North. Also, if Howland Reed is in the picture and all the R+L=J speculation, this is a way for that info to come out. Hope it is all a big Northern conspiracy to put the Winterfell back in Stark hands, plus Stannis is honorable enough to see a Stark back in Winterfell (although not as a king). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaena Targaryen Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 If you assume that the Mormounts knew that Stannis had moved on Deepwood Motte from the mountain clans then it's interesting to figure in that Alysanne probably has an idea that Bran is alive (from the Littles/mountain clans) which means Rickon is presumed alive as well (and by default maybe her view of Theon isn't so horrible). If she's also in contact with her mother in Greywater Watch, then Alsyanne could also know about Robb's will to name Jon king of the North. Also, if Howland Reed is in the picture and all the R+L=J speculation, this is a way for that info to come out. Hope it is all a big Northern conspiracy to put the Winterfell back in Stark hands, plus Stannis is honorable enough to see a Stark back in Winterfell (although not as a king). I love your entire post. That is the same thought process i have. What do you think about the new sample chapter, (if you have read it?) and what you were thinking about Theon? On a side note, I wonder if all of the wargs/skinchangers are going to end up on the Wall?If anyone likes the idea of a northern conspiracy this thread helped my tie everything together...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/59217-the-northmen-inside-and-outside-winterfell-conspiration/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer420 Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 This is a litte off topic, but i wonder if bran can make skinchangers and wargs? If not I could see him as having the power to increase a skinchagers power or pull it out of one that hasnt grasp the power they have. I would love to see a army of mormont bears and skinchangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glyn Tarvoke Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 One problem the Northerners are having without the Starks as the various houses aren't sure how to coordinate to kill off the squids. They probably would have joined with Jon if he had betrayed his oath and accepted Winterfell from Stannis; they rally around Stannis quickly once he says he's going to get rid of the squids and the Lannister catspaws. Stannis's letter explains that the Mormonts burned the Ironborn ships but doesn't say when that happened. It could be within weeks or months maybe. Because after the Mormonts burned the ironborn ships they'd lack the strength to do much more. Who knows exactly why the young Mormont replied to Stannis but I thought on reading it was because the Mormonts had left her behind while they sent the older siblings off to deal with problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 This is a litte off topic, but i wonder if bran can make skinchangers and wargs? If not I could see him as having the power to increase a skinchagers power or pull it out of one that hasnt grasp the power they have. I would love to see a army of mormont bears and skinchangers.I don't think that's possible. You're either born one or you're not. Bran might be able to "trigger" an existing skill in warging, similar to what Bloodraven did for him while he was in his coma, but he can't "make" it out of nothing.Who knows exactly why the young Mormont replied to Stannis but I thought on reading it was because the Mormonts had left her behind while they sent the older siblings off to deal with problems.I think it's a combination of this (Lyanna is "the Mormont on Bear Island," so to speak) and the fact that a young child's words can easily be written off if/when the time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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