who will be the "Regent" in the iron throne

[Tini]

Lancel may have abandoned his claims to territory and castle but he is still a member of the Lannister family. And as such he could be named regent for Tommen. Especially if the High Septon decides to influence King Tommen's political decisions through Lancel.

[Lady Octarina]

Lancel may have abandoned his claims to territory and castle but he is still a member of the Lannister family. And as such he could be named regent for Tommen. Especially if the High Septon decides to influence King Tommen's political decisions through Lancel.

That's an interesting thought, especially considering he is Kevan's oldest. I don't see him getting the position that easily, though. His affair with Cersei is known, and even though he repented, that could still be held against him. And the Tyrells will certainly try not to lose such a powerful position to yet another Lannister.

[jsw2289]

With Tywin and Kevan dead, Cersei possibly facing execution, Tyrion attainted and Jaime in the Kingsguard, Casterly Rock and the new head-of-family would be Lancel. They'd just have to make a decision as to whether Lancel and Gatehouse Ami would continue to hold Darry (to which Ami has a family claim) or if they'll pass it to another family member.

Regarding the regency, I think Mace will assume that role and Tarly will be promoted to Hand of the King. Perfect position for a future betrayal on his part ...

when Lancel joined the Warriors Sons he forfeited his claim on casterly rock. So that puts Kevans youngest boy Martyn next in line as Heir to CR.

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

The Tyrells simply hold all the cards at the moment. Mace still has a huge army in King's Landing, control of the small council, no lions left to oppose him and the love of the small folk. Even if Cersei emerges victorious from her trial she still lacks to manpower to bring Mace to heel, and more importantly, she has lost the respect of the realm.

There is really nothing to stop Mace from seizing total control as he now controls the king. That is unless Cersei sends Ser Robert Strong to shorten a few heads.

[Fat King Robert]

The Tyrells simply hold all the cards at the moment. Mace still has a huge army in King's Landing, control of the small council, no lions left to oppose him and the love of the small folk. Even if Cersei emerges victorious from her trial she still lacks to manpower to bring Mace to heel, and more importantly, she has lost the respect of the realm.

There is really nothing to stop Mace from seizing total control as he now controls the king. That is unless Cersei sends Ser Robert Strong to shorten a few heads.

The Tyells is in pretty much command now. I can't see how Cersei would claim the regent title, if not with force as you say.

[Tini]

when Lancel joined the Warriors Sons he forfeited his claim on casterly rock. So that puts Kevans youngest boy Martyn next in line as Heir to CR.

No, it does not. Casterly Rock did not belong to Kevan, so it will not pass to Kevan's sons. It is Cersei's, it was Cersei's since Tywin died. Cersei's children are the heirs to Casterly Rock, not Lancel, not Martyn. They will inherit if Cersei is executed.

Tommen and Myrcella's parentage is not part of the accusations against Cersei at the moment, and they are not on trial themselves. They are still part of the succession of House Lannister.

If Jaime lives, he may try to take over the regency for Tommen. That does not conflict with his King's Guard vows - and given the current situation, he might even consider it his duty to become regent to protect Tommen, as those vows demand of him.

[Landis]

Didn't Cersei already inherit Casterly Rock after Tywin was killed? I seem to recall there being a discussion to that effect, but she put her cousins in charge there for the time being so she could stay in King's Landing with her son. The Lannister succession only becomes complicated if Tyrion returns and claims it, despite being disinherited.

[Itai Peer]

Cersei named one of her cousin as Castellan and another one as warden of the west

I agree with "Council Member" - Myrcella is the lady of the Rock ( since Tommen is the king ). If Jamie arrives to KL he would have the right and probably the power to take the regency to himself.

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

Cersei named one of her cousin as Castellan and another one as warden of the west

I agree with "Council Member" - Myrcella is the lady of the Rock ( since Tommen is the king ). If Jamie arrives to KL he would have the right and probably the power to take the regency to himself.

I think Mace Tyrell will have a say in that.

[jsw2289]

No, it does not. Casterly Rock did not belong to Kevan, so it will not pass to Kevan's sons. It is Cersei's, it was Cersei's since Tywin died. Cersei's children are the heirs to Casterly Rock, not Lancel, not Martyn. They will inherit if Cersei is executed.

Tommen and Myrcella's parentage is not part of the accusations against Cersei at the moment, and they are not on trial themselves. They are still part of the succession of House Lannister.

If Jaime lives, he may try to take over the regency for Tommen. That does not conflict with his King's Guard vows - and given the current situation, he might even consider it his duty to become regent to protect Tommen, as those vows demand of him.

clearly you didn't read my earlier post:

next in line to casterly rock, once cercei self destructs, would in fact be Martyn Lannister as the third son to Kevan. after that would come Tyrek Lannister as the first son of Tyget, if we don't count Kevans two year old daughter.

as things stand that is...

(i edited afterward to correct my inaccuracies)

of course all of this can only occur with Cersei out of the picture.

Assuming things stayed as they were, Jaime on the KG, Tyrion a fugitive, Lancel with the WS, the next in line for CR is Martyn then Tyrek.. And as to Tommen and Myrcella... Surely they would intend to inherit as a Baratheon more than anything, that being their claim to the throne, not to mention their surnames, doing else wise would poke at peoples lingering suspicions.

Now, that being said...i doubt any of this will even matter. too many things can happen. Cersei could stay in power, slowly destroying KL, she could be taken out of power and sent back to CR or otherwise, Tryion could come back to claim his birthright with the Second Sons, with Daenerys... or on the back of a dragon for all i know... :dunno:

I'm just shooting the shit, really... taking the Lannister line of succession into consideration you can see that i'm not wrong... i believe... Do feel free to correct me if i'm wrong though. ;)

Also, i would like to add that you are wrong when you said that Tommen and Myrcella's parentage isn't called into question.

The High Priest brought forward the accusations of Cercei's affair/s and the claim that her children are born or incest.

"Last of all and worst of all, there are some who say your children were not fathered by King Robert, that they are bastards born of incest and adultery." ADWD HB, pg.724

Granted, the faith don't seem too worried about the claim, being as it came from Stannis, who turned from the faith of the seven. Not only that but Tommen is the one who rearmed them. Believing that it is a lie benefits them. But i'd say it definitely came into question...

[The Knight of ...]

Jaime doesn't really have any powerbase in KL, no interest in ruling(He turned down Cersei's offer to name him Hand), his vows as KG, and is currently in a bit a jam, he won't take it.

[Arkash]

I think Jaime might be the great loss we'll have tu suffer in Winds.

[TheEvilKing]

Mace Tyrell is easily the most likely regent, unless Marge takes it and Mace remains Hand.

I agree with one of the previous posters that if Mace assumes the regency then Randyll Tarly will be named Hand.

Cersei has little to no chance at being regent, as nobody except Qyburn and Robert Strong would support her claim.

Of course we're all still waiting for the outcome of Margaery and Cersei's trials, and whoever the Faith backs will also matter.

ETA: I strongly suspect Tommen will die in TWoW, most likely at the orders of Varys or LF, both of whom would seem to require his elimination to further their own causes. I think this will happen about half way through the book.

[Ladywhiskers]

:agree:

Mace Tyrell would be my guess as well. Margaery's got a pretty firm grip over Tommen, so a Tyrell rule (under Tommen as king of course) seems most likely. But I don't think we've seen the last of Olenna Redwyne yet, so perhaps she'll have a hand in there somewhere, a seat in the small counsel, mayhaps?

Cersei isn't done yet however, she has Robert Strong...at least I think so, since I can't recall who Qubyrn is really loyal to. To Cersei? Or the one who holds the power, though I recall him begin rather loyal to her.

Varys also said in ADWD: "...but you were threatening to undo all the queens good work, to reconcile Highgarden and Casterly Rock, bind the Faith to your little king, unite the Seven Kingdoms under Tommen's rule.So..."

This may indicate that he wants Cersei as regent until Aegon conquers the throne.

The regent can be related by blood or by marriage. George III had his son and heir as a Regent. Edward VI had his uncle, a blood relation on his mother's side. The Regent if male is usually named Lord Protector of the Realm, although there can and have been queen regents, like Cersei was to Joffrey and Tommen for a time. Usually blood relations are preferred over relations by marriage, and uncles are preferred over mothers, so Kevan had to go. If Tyrion were in town, he'd be a much likelier regent than Cersei, now that Tommen is married. Cersei was first choice for regent for Joffrey because the boy was unmarried. But now Mace is a more logical choice, which means he's probably not long for this world.

I have no doubt Varys wants Cersei as regent, because she weakens the kingdom and makes it easier to attack and win, both at the highest levels by destroying high level allies, and at the lowest, by priming the people for rebellion. By the time Cersei's done with them, they'll be strewing flowers in the path of anyone who'll come invade them and rescue them from Cersei.

[TheEvilKing]

I'm sure Varys will be more than happy with Mace as the Regent. He's renowned for being a crappy military leader. If he's in charge of the Iron Throne's defence it should be a stroll in the park for Aegon, the Golden Company and allies.

[ElizaMartell]

Varys offed Kevan in the hopes Cercei would freak out and keep doing her 'good' work. I am guessing he still thinks she will have some influence in the small council.

[Ser Ilyn's Tongue]

Honestly I think Cersei will be regent again, for a while at least. Mace is the only credible other option but I do like the Lancel idea! He's been around for a while without being especially significant. Now that the Faith is becoming a game player and more militant, its a kind of plausible idea and it would give Lancel something to do.

(Unless Robert Strong ends his story in the first chapter of Winds, of course!)

[Jaehaerys I]

I don't see Cersei leaving KL, especially after Kevan's death. I can see her convincing Tommen to make her Regent or Tommen just being king and her whispering what to do into his ear.

[The Cocky Wolf]

Cersei is the type of creature who will always be power hungry and she will do what 'she' thinks is right for her son. Whether Cersei will become regent or not shes still a powerful Lannister and she will find a way to keep some of her influence in KLs.

[Ladywhiskers]

I'm sure Varys will be more than happy with Mace as the Regent. He's renowned for being a crappy military leader. If he's in charge of the Iron Throne's defence it should be a stroll in the park for Aegon, the Golden Company and allies.

He stated that he killed Kevan because he didn't want him interfering with "The Queen's excellent work" by sending her back to Casterly Rock or opposing her on various issues. I think Mace will try to do things his way, not Cersei's way. He may not be a great military leader, but that won't matter, if the people of King's Landing are happy, well-fed, and willing to fight.

Varys wants the smallfolk desperate for new leadership. There's no point in taking over if the people oppose you---then it's only a matter of time before you're removed, either by rebellion or intrigue. It's not enough for Aegon to be able to conquer--he wants Aegon to be loved, and for people to be grateful, like they were when the Tyrells came in with the food. I don't think Mace is awful enough for that, but Cersei certainly is.