thetitansbastard Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 I think Azor Ahai Reborn and TPTWP are definitely the same figure, and the Last Hero sounds like AA as well although I don't remember too many references. Stallion that Mounts the World is meant to be something totally diffferent in my interpretation, although if a Dothraki saved Westeros from the Others I suppose he would be assumed to be TSTMTW. I think this and the other major prophecies will be left ambiguous or open for interpretation at the end as opposed to someone (or 3 people combined) definitively being the messiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Debaka Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Count me in as one of those people who want to see all of this prophesy stuff go away!I just want to see Jon wake up, beat the crap out of the others, and for Dany to fall off her Dragon and never be mentioned again.Might be cool to see Tyrion murder cercei.... thats about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Baratheon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Stannis is AA,bran is the last hero,Aegon the 6th is TPTWP,and dany's dead son was the STMTWAnymore questions?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Stannis is AA,bran is the last hero,Aegon the 6th is TPTWP,and dany's dead son was the STMTWAnymore questions??And Jon is dead, I suppose ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revan Baratheon Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 And Jon is dead, I suppose ?Jon is the chosen one who,by his death has brought balance to westeros,as we now have one less "secret targ" to worry about.Also snape is THBP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyjoy the Reaver Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Could Jon be Azor Ahai and Dany be Nissa Nissa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 Could Jon be Azor Ahai and Dany be Nissa Nissa?That's a really good idea. I hope Martin has only built Dany up over 5 books for her to become a plot device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albatros Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 What if Bloodraven was the last hero? We don't really know anything about how he got to his current position, but clearly he sought out the children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyMary Posted January 28, 2012 Share Posted January 28, 2012 The Last Hero is Bran Old Nan story goes a little something like this. " Determine to seek out the Children, in hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a SWORD, HORSE, DOG and a DOZEN COMPANIONS. LAST HERO = BRAN. SWORD = SWORD from the Crypts of Winterfell HORSE = HONDOR ( Bran rides Hondor) DOG = SUMMER. DOZEN COMPANIONS (MEERA REED and JOJEN REED) 12 companions i think not... more like 1st companion and 2nd companion Sounds more like Jon actually, and more literally. Jon had a sword, rode a horse, had a "dog" with him and was heading North to the Wall with some number of companions in addition to Benjen and Tyrion, some other recruits for the Nights Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunset King Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The way the characters talk about these legends makes it sound like Azor Ahai is the eastern description, the PTWP is the Valyrian version of the myth, and the Last Hero is the Westerosi variant of the same legend. However, the AA and the LH do not have overlapping descriptions so they do not have to have been the same person. The Last Hero supposedly fought Others with some kind of dragonsteel sword. Azor Ahai is claimed to have somehow driven away the darkness, wherever that might have taken place. They are not contradictory though and may well have been just different cultural expressions of the same thing.One question, though, is whether the dragon having "three heads" actually means there will be a new version of each of these. Maybe, maybe not. The LH is not a prophecy so perhaps the Stallion that Mounts the World could replace the Last Hero part. Melisandre and Aemon at least seem to believe that AA = PTWP despite the talk of the three components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The way the characters talk about these legends makes it sound like Azor Ahai is the eastern description, the PTWP is the Valyrian version of the myth, and the Last Hero is the Westerosi variant of the same legend. However, the AA and the LH do not have overlapping descriptions so they do not have to have been the same person. The Last Hero supposedly fought Others with some kind of dragonsteel sword. Azor Ahai is claimed to have somehow driven away the darkness, wherever that might have taken place. They are not contradictory though and may well have been just different cultural expressions of the same thing.One question, though, is whether the dragon having "three heads" actually means there will be a new version of each of these. Maybe, maybe not. The LH is not a prophecy so perhaps the Stallion that Mounts the World could replace the Last Hero part. Melisandre and Aemon at least seem to believe that AA = PTWP despite the talk of the three components.I noticed that in the PTWP there's "the dragon has three heads" while in AA there's the forging of three different swords with the final being Lightbringer. The three heads of the dragon and the three swords could mean the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunset King Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 That is very interesting. I had not previously thought about the way that the three forgings might be connected to the PTWP's idea of three "heads." Perhaps the meaning is actually the same just with different symbolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Face Man Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Sounds more like Jon actually, and more literally. Jon had a sword, rode a horse, had a "dog" with him and was heading North to the Wall with some number of companions in addition to Benjen and Tyrion, some other recruits for the Nights Watch.Cant be Jon. It say's that when The Last Hero tryed to use his sword against the others his sword broke.This could not happen to Longclaw because it is Valyrian Steel.Where the sword BRAN took from the crypts is just a regular sword which it is said would brake against the others swords of thin shape ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 The last Hero fought the other with a sword of DragongSteel/Valyrian SteelAzor Ahia fought them with LIGHTBRINGER/DAWN not Valyrian SteelI'm sorry but what part of the two stories being adapted differently because of cultural/linguistic variations is that difficult to understand?That's disregarding my pretty firm hunch at this point that Lightbringer isn't Dawn or any other literal sword. It's symbolic.Sounds more like Jon actually, and more literally. Jon had a sword, rode a horse, had a "dog" with him and was heading North to the Wall with some number of companions in addition to Benjen and Tyrion, some other recruits for the Nights Watch.Yes. And Bran went north of the Wall to find the Three-Eyed Crow, not specifically to fight the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Face Man Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yes you are right but BRAN did fight the wights when he went into Hondors body and he does find the Children of the Forest who are with Bloodraven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Face Man Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 OLD NAN" Determind to seek out the children, in hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a SWORD, HORSE, DOG and a DOZEN companions"" For years he searched, unfilled he despaired of ever finding the Children of the Forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him and came silent on this trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders by as hounds......"JON also has a dream about Himself standing at the top of the wall in all Black armour with a Red Sword fighting big white spiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillio Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I thought GRRm has said they are not the same legend. Will try to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Know Face Man Posted January 29, 2012 Author Share Posted January 29, 2012 I thought GRRm has said they are not the same legend. Will try to find it.I don't believe for a second that the Last Hero and Azor Ahai are the same. I truly think GRRM writes in such a way to drives us all carzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillio Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 I've been crazy for years, I'll have to try carzy!!couldn't find the SSM, not in the right mood for research!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machinist Posted January 29, 2012 Share Posted January 29, 2012 A glowing sword with no heat, All these theories are interesting, the only thing I know for sure is that it is not Stannis. Im not sure if it is Bran either.that quote its self makes me think of dragonglass, which the childen of the forrest apparently have access to as well, though bran cant walk and bloodraven said he wont walk, as well as no where in the books is it built up that bran has any massive right to the throne or anything so the title "prince that is promised" just doesnt make sense to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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