Aeron Greyjoy molested?

[KOM]

"For that sin I kill them all. I spill their blood upon the sea and sow their screaming women with my seed."

- Feast For Crows, ch 18

and right after that (iirc) Aeron is all "Can't you guys see what he is?! [some raping, child molesting monster]!" Like he wants to say it, but he can't say it explicitly.

[Maiden of Karhold]

I can't stand his character for raping his brothers wife - and then Victarian beat her to death. I had a hard time getting through those chapters.

^this. This is a definite proof Euron could be a sadistic rapist... And that's so typical in Martin's books...

Euron could have used molesting as a punishment, too.

[BitsOfBrains]

I just went through this chapter again and couldn't quite figure out the "iron hinge" thing.

I assumed it was some sort of trauma.

I guess the best answer I can think of is that the molester theory.

[Ours if the Fury]

I dont think he was molested maybe beat up, and hurt by euron but not in a sexual manner

[Mithras]

It is not just the iron hinges.

“I am more devout than even you, Aeron. Perhaps it should be you who kneels to me for blessing.”

The Red Oarsman laughed loudly at that, and the others took their lead from him.

One can imagine what kind of blessing Euron means to give to Aeron when he kneels before him.

[Lord Reaver]

^this. This is a definite proof Euron could be a sadistic rapist... And that's so typical in Martin's books...

Euron could have used molesting as a punishment, too.

Only we don't even know if he raped Vic's wife...

The "evidence" for the molestation (rusty hinges) makes no sense whatsoever. Hence, this is a crackpot.

[The King in Black]

Hey, I just needed to clarify, does big Vic clearly know Euron did funny business with his wife, or could it be that Aeron was having an affair with her and euron walked in on them one day? Don't know how this thought came in my head, and it's been too long since I've read AFfC

[horizon]

Euron molested Aeron. For sure.

Just a couple of weeks ago I saw this interview with that girl in the US that had been kidnapped at the age of 11 and been molested by her abducter. She also mentioned that she could still hear the sound of unlocking / opening the door of were she was kept.

So the hinges is a trigger sound to the traumatic event for Aeron.

Victarion's wife was not raped by Euron. But Euron did seduce her, because, ya know, he is the Ironborn Casanova and Marquis de Sade in one, and worse.

[Lord Reaver]

So the hinges is a trigger sound to the traumatic event for Aeron.

Being molested is not the only traumatic event possible in this world. Sadly enough.

Victarion's wife was not raped by Euron. But Euron did seduce her, because, ya know, he is the Ironborn Casanova and Marquis de Sade in one, and worse.

Well, the truth is we don't know if she was willing or not. Euron claims she was, but then again, how far are you willing to trust that guy ?

Vic is oddly silent on the matter, but he does seem to think Euron "stole" her. Then again, with her being a salt wife, raping could mean stealing.

So, without her side of the story (which we're unlikely to get), any conclusion would be speculation. It's equally incorrect to state she was definitely not raped as it is that she was definitely raped.

[Doorlocks]

No I don't think so. and nudity isn't that common. I think its the casual insolence of it that disturbs Victarion. Euron's torture for Vic was banging his salt-wife. I'm still not convinced is molestation, its certainly something fucked up, but whether its that or not, I don't know. I just wonder what Euron did to Balon, or what Balon did to him. Balon seems to be the only one Euron didn't have under his thumb.

Yes, Balon certainly becomes more interesting in retrospect, given how badass his brothers are. Was it only that he was born first, and his younger siblings always had to respect that? Or did he truly have such a will earlier in his life, that he even dominated Euron, Victarion, and Aeron?

[Lord Reaver]

Yes, Balon certainly becomes more interesting in retrospect, given how badass his brothers are. Was it only that he was born first, and his younger siblings always had to respect that? Or did he truly have such a will earlier in his life, that he even dominated Euron, Victarion, and Aeron?

Balon was apparently, the very ideal of an ironborn in his youth, if we are to believe what Vic recalls about him.

He scaled the Flint cliffs at age 10 (so as good a climber as Bran, or thereabouts), by age 13, he was an expert oarsman (any rowers out there want to chime in on just how freaking hard that is?), went reaving at age 15 with Dagmer Cleftjaw, killing his first man and taking his first saltwife, he got his own ship two years later.

Yes, Balon dominated his younger siblings, purely by being an immense badass.

[Doorlocks]

Balon was apparently, the very ideal of an ironborn in his youth, if we are to believe what Vic recalls about him.

He scaled the Flint cliffs at age 10 (so as good a climber as Bran, or thereabouts), by age 13, he was an expert oarsman (any rowers out there want to chime in on just how freaking hard that is?), went reaving at age 15 with Dagmer Cleftjaw, killing his first man and taking his first saltwife, he got his own ship two years later.

Yes, Balon dominated his younger siblings, purely by being an immense badass.

Good. I think that adds a great layer to Balon, who we only saw after he had been changed by defeat. I was going to say that it was only at this point that Euron could make a move against Balon... but that's not even true. Euron paid some man to clear the way to the jewel he wanted. He resorted to gold, rather than taking the iron price.

Back to the topic of this thread, though, given this quote I think Urri has to be involved in a fundamental way in Aeron's trauma:

The sound came softly, the scream of a rusted hinge. "Urri," he muttered, and woke, fearful. There is no hinge here, no door, no Urri. A flying axe took off half of Urri's hand when he was ten-and-four, playing at the finger dance whilst his father and his elder brothers were away at war.

- FOC, The Prophet

The first word he says upon waking is Urri, and he connects hinge-door-Urri. This leads me to think that either Euron was molesting both or that, as a particular horrific way of hurting Aeron, Euron made him rape Urri too.

[Lord Reaver]

Good. I think that adds a great layer to Balon, who we only saw after he had been changed by defeat. I was going to say that it was only at this point that Euron could make a move against Balon... but that's not even true. Euron paid some man to clear the way to the jewel he wanted. He resorted to gold, rather than taking the iron price.

Indeed. What makes Balon a tragic figure to me, rather than the horrible one he apparently is to some people is this, that he was pretty much the ideal person for his society, very likely the best example of a King the Iron Islands have had in a long, long time. And then when he goes to truly fulfill this and become king, his dreams are shattered brutally and completely.

People are surprised Balon is a bitter old man? He pretty much has more reason to be bitter than anyone out there. It doesn't excuse the way he recieves his long-lost son, but it goes some way to explain it.

And yes, even as a bitter man, clearly much reduced from his former self, he still inspired great loyalty in Vic and respect in Euron, to where he had to resort (probably) to FM assassins to kill him.

[Gary seaworth]

What makes this theory even more plausible is that we haven't had a child molester along, have we? I can't recall, was there a mention of Cleganes's sister dying at suspicious circumstances, or am I confusing it with something else? - Anyway, in the broad scope of depravities GRRM has portrayed so far, I can't believe he would miss out on this.

[Gary seaworth]

I believe littlefinger implies that lyn cobray is a pedophile. That all he cares about is gold, killing and boys or something like that. It is a concept that needs to be explored in a villain.

[The Second To Last Dragon]

there's a lot of hints toward aeron being molested.

-the rusty hinge was stressed when he was listening for the DG at the KM and didn't hear him, yet only hear the scream of the hinge.

-eurons cruelness (made obvious from the treatment of his crew and enemies alike)

-aerons need to pursue "manly" things like whoring, drinking, pissing contests, etc.

-GRRM offered to read a chapter of aerons that had "real twisted stuff", but the crowd opted for ariannes chapter instead.

so yeah,

id say the possibility of molestation is certainly there and not without some merit.

[Ab3nd]

On the first read, I prettry much skipped this part, but re-reading a Feast for Crows, I had the same idea so I came here to see what people thought.

After reading the comments I fully support the abuse theory. Nightmares about screaming hinges seems a too subtle reminder for physical abuse; in context it's nothing compared the Hound's face. The waterboarding I dismiss since Aeron is constantly around water and I think this has a very therapeutic effect for him: after meditating in the sea he's able to sleep peacefully. He spent his youth trying to prove he was macho while secretly thinking he was a weakling, then his near-death experience came like a shock therapy. He thinks he had been reborn stronger, and that he has finally overcome his fears if not his memories, until he's forced to face Euron.

I dunno if it has been mentioned, but I think this would also explain the fierce resistant Aeron shows to Asha taking the throne. Even thought the ironborn have nothing but disregard for women, they do have respect for capitains. She's recognised as a proven warrior and leader, she's Balon's heir and many men are willing to support her. Some do laugh at her claim, but Aeron seems truly infuriated at the notion of a woman ruling. This is the only matter were he openly oposses Balon's wishes even though he admired him deeply.

As for the Urri part of his memory, I interpreted that he was reminded of Urri's death by the maester pressence, and in the dream the guilt from Urri's death reappeared fused with his recurrent nightmares about whatever Euron did to him. About the suggestions that Robin was the one that was molested because he was "no true ironborn"; I think this is stated only as an alusion to his mother being from Riverrun. While Aeron's mother was from the Iron Islands, Balon's second wife was a woman from the greenland; and Damphair blames her and her maester for the death of Urri, maybe trying to dismiss his own guilt feelings

[must needs the rushes]

A line from the chapter that I think points strongly to a sexual component of the abuse is when Aeron thinks "Better to be scorned by Balon than beloved of Euron."

[imaginepageant]

Back to the topic of this thread, though, given this quote I think Urri has to be involved in a fundamental way in Aeron's trauma:

The first word he says upon waking is Urri, and he connects hinge-door-Urri. This leads me to think that either Euron was molesting both or that, as a particular horrific way of hurting Aeron, Euron made him rape Urri too.

I'd be fully sold on the molestation theory if it wasn't for the connection of Urri to the memory of the rusted hinge—especially the very first mention of the rusted hinge. The way it's presented makes it sound as though Urri was the one opening the door. If it was Euron opening the door, coming to molest Aeron (and/or Urri), why wouldn't Aeron have thought, There is no hinge here, no door, no Euron? Why would he call out Urri's name when he dreamed the sound of the hinge, and not Euron's? Even if Euron was molesting Urri as well, or if Urri protected Aeron from Euron, why would Aeron connect the sound with his fellow victim or savior moreso than his abuser? (I'm not at all suggesting Urri was the abuser; it's pretty clear that Aeron loved that particular brother, so we can rule him out as a perpetrator.)

Euron molesting Aeron makes complete sense with all the other evidence we have, but the Urri connection is a huge wrench in that theory, and it's driving me crazy!

[Lost Melnibonean]

I'd be fully sold on the molestation theory if it wasn't for the connection of Urri to the memory of the rusted hingeespecially the very first mention of the rusted hinge. The way it's presented makes it sound as though Urri was the one opening the door. If it was Euron opening the door, coming to molest Aeron (and/or Urri), why wouldn't Aeron have thought, There is no hinge here, no door, no Euron? Why would he call out Urri's name when he dreamed the sound of the hinge, and not Euron's? Even if Euron was molesting Urri as well, or if Urri protected Aeron from Euron, why would Aeron connect the sound with his fellow victim or savior moreso than his abuser? (I'm not at all suggesting Urri was the abuser; it's pretty clear that Aeron loved that particular brother, so we can rule him out as a perpetrator.)

Euron molesting Aeron makes complete sense with all the other evidence we have, but the Urri connection is a huge wrench in that theory, and it's driving me crazy!

Maybe Urri was giving him some protection, but after he was gone, Euron was able to fiddle about with Aeron with no fear of repercussion?