LordBloodraven Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Damn, this is hard. Wait, shall we call him Joffrey the Just when he told that under his rule "treason shall never go unpunished"?And he was such a dick to Tommen that he ended up being one good boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ororo727 Jon Snow Fangirl Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Imagine Joffrey didn't die and went to visit WF to meet Ramsay...glad it can't happenJoffrey would be the new Reek, it rhymes with leak... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fading Griffin Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 he put ned's head on a spike so sansa could see him one more time before he...put his head back on his body.great guy.also, one time a wolf bit his finger, i liked that too. and when he choked to death, that was probably my favorite thing he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teemo Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Damn, this is hard. Wait, shall we call him Joffrey the Just when he told that under his rule "treason shall never go unpunished"?And he was such a dick to Tommen that he ended up being one good boy.And he couldn't even do that right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkhal Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Here comes the Lannister fanboy with more defense for a character that most fans don't like, but I don't think Joffrey was born evil.As I see it Joffrey was kind of more made evil due to bad parenting and mentorship. He did certainly not end up as a great guy and he deserved what he got due to his own actions. But I do not think that he was born evil and if his parents had been more stabile he would not have ended up as twisted as he was. He would probably have some less savory character traits or sides, but then agan most people have those.So I would personally think that Joffrey became evil, if you want to use that term which I normally don't, but I don't think he was born evil. In a way I pity him in a similar manner that I pity Robert or Lysa. I do NOT however think that he didn't end up deserving what he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Ceriddwynn Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 When did he try to kill Bran? I thought it was only a theory by Tyrion??? And in actuality a staged event by LF or Varys?He loved his Mommy! I think.........He seemed to like his Hound. I think...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Snake No. 9 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Imagine Joffrey didn't die and went to visit WF to meet Ramsay...glad it can't happen Imagine a Joffrey/Ramsay cage match. Damn, I'd buy tickets to that. Joffrey seemed somewhat unhappy to give up Sansa for Margaery – until he figured out he could have both, I guess. But the little bastard killed cats. He is irredeemable; my Fluffy and Bootsie concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Hunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I was actually thrilled he died believing that Tyrion killed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Hunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I was actually thrilled he died believing Tyrion killed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 He wasn't smart enough to take controlle over the relm and so capeable people rule and prevent a tyrannic nightmare for all people of westeros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Ou Pas Cap Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 Here comes the Lannister fanboy with more defense for a character that most fans don't like, but I don't think Joffrey was born evil.As I see it Joffrey was kind of more made evil due to bad parenting and mentorship. He did certainly not end up as a great guy and he deserved what he got due to his own actions. But I do not think that he was born evil and if his parents had been more stabile he would not have ended up as twisted as he was. He would probably have some less savory character traits or sides, but then agan most people have those.So I would personally think that Joffrey became evil, if you want to use that term which I normally don't, but I don't think he was born evil. In a way I pity him in a similar manner that I pity Robert or Lysa. I do NOT however think that he didn't end up deserving what he got.There must be something good in your character, acts, asspirations, not something bad in your circumstances, for you to be considered not evil. And "evil" is used here only because Martin used it in his interview. If we warrant that circumstances are everything and free will means nothing, than nothing means anything.That said, I actually think that he was not hopless. If he was sent to a camp at Harrenhaal as a nameless peasant boy and made to do hard physical work under the supervision of Weese , I think he might have changed enough. And if he had any friends like Gendry or Hot Pie. I regret that his parents wasted him so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walder_Frey Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I wouldn't say he was eager to please and impress people of KL. "Tell them they have my leave to eat their dead", was it?He listened to Sansa when she told him to give the woman with dead baby a coin, that counts as point in his favor, I guess.I didn't explain well enough, I meant specifically during the Battle of the Blackwater, when he rallied the troops and raised the spirits of the citizenry with his visage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashkan Stark Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ummmm...... well... he..was.....Nope can't find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Targaryen's Ghost Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 He seemed like a decent enough older brother. i don't recall him abusing tommen or myrcella at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Ceriddwynn Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 He didnt burn Tommen's face! and he didnt rape his sister........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap Ou Pas Cap Posted February 23, 2012 Author Share Posted February 23, 2012 He seemed like a decent enough older brother. i don't recall him abusing tommen or myrcella at all?Making fun of Tommen jousting, cat and kittens and there must have been other things he did around Tommen, because when talking to Jaime Tommen said something like: "I used to go away in my head when Jofrey... he..." And here someone iterrupted them. So maybe Joffrey tortured some more kittens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 He didnt burn Tommen's face! and he didnt rape his sister........There IS a theory out there that he raped Tommen, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Lady Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 There IS a theory out there that he raped Tommen, though.http://asoiaf.wester...rey-and-tommen/ :ack: :ack: :ack:Can we please resurrect this guy and kill him again, more slowly this time? k thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C. Hunter Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Here comes the Lannister fanboy with more defense for a character that most fans don't like, but I don't think Joffrey was born evil.As I see it Joffrey was kind of more made evil due to bad parenting and mentorship. He did certainly not end up as a great guy and he deserved what he got due to his own actions. But I do not think that he was born evil and if his parents had been more stabile he would not have ended up as twisted as he was. He would probably have some less savory character traits or sides, but then agan most people have those.So I would personally think that Joffrey became evil, if you want to use that term which I normally don't, but I don't think he was born evil. In a way I pity him in a similar manner that I pity Robert or Lysa. I do NOT however think that he didn't end up deserving what he got.I agree with this, though ordering the brutal whipping of Sansa was extreme and he is somewhat of a sociopath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearwife of the Wild Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 There IS a theory out there that he raped Tommen, though.http://asoiaf.wester...rey-and-tommen/DA FUCKI think what Martin meant is that no one is inherently evil : they either have some reasons in their past (Joff's ubringing), or some mental issues (Ramsay Bolton), or they truly believe they're doing what needs to be done (Melisandre).In any case, he didn't bother to write any redeeming qualities for Joffrey, or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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