heir to casterly rock

[LordArkos]

Since

Tywins death

I've been wondering what the rules of inheritance are of casterly rock and the warden of the west.

With jaime giving up his claim by being in the kingsguard and tyrion not being able to inherit either should the title now go to Kevan and his sons now be in the line of succession?

Or does cersei get to inherit?

[LordArkos]

Sorry for not doing my spoiler tag correctly BTW! Using mobile version of forum and couldn't see an edit feature

[WinterfellWoman]

I believe it would go to Cersei now. It's similar to the case of Winterfell, since Robb is dead and everyone thinks Bran and Rickon are dead, Sansa is now the holder of Winterfell (which is why everyone and their brother wants to marry her).

[WinterfellWoman]

Although, now that I think of it, Sansa's only male relative now is an uncle on her mother's side, while Cersei's is an uncle on her father's side, so Casterly Rock would probably go to Kevan.

[psychogobstopper]

No, Cersei would be the heir. For a House, the children of the deceased lord inherit in order of their birth. Male siblings of the deceased lord would only enter the picture in royal succession.

[Agromono]

As is demonstrated at another point in the series, the lands go over to the children of the lord before siblings of the lord. So Cersei is the heir to Casterly Rock, and if she dies, then her children are her heirs as far as everyone else is concerned. If it were to become public knowledge (and not just a rumour) that Tommen and Myrcella were bastards, then and only then would Kevan be the heir.

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[WinterfellWoman]

As is demonstrated at another point in the series, the lands go over to the children of the lord before siblings of the lord. So Cersei is the heir to Casterly Rock, and if she dies, then her children are her heirs as far as everyone else is concerned. If it were to become public knowledge (and not just a rumour) that Tommen and Myrcella were bastards, then and only then would Kevan be the heir.

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That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[TheDrawback]

As is demonstrated at another point in the series, the lands go over to the children of the lord before siblings of the lord. So Cersei is the heir to Casterly Rock, and if she dies, then her children are her heirs as far as everyone else is concerned. If it were to become public knowledge (and not just a rumour) that Tommen and Myrcella were bastards, then and only then would Kevan be the heir.

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Couldn't have said it better myself

[Zar Lannister]

As is demonstrated at another point in the series, the lands go over to the children of the lord before siblings of the lord. So Cersei is the heir to Casterly Rock, and if she dies, then her children are her heirs as far as everyone else is concerned. If it were to become public knowledge (and not just a rumour) that Tommen and Myrcella were bastards, then and only then would Kevan be the heir.

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This is under the assumption Tyrion cannot inherit because he's accused of poisoning Joffrey, right?

[WinterfellWoman]

This is under the assumption Tyrion cannot inherit because he's accused of poisoning Joffrey, right?

Well that, and the fact that Tywin flat out told Tyrion he would never hold Casterly Rock. Even without poisoning Joffrey, I doubt anyone would support his claim.

[Green Dreamer]

In Game of Thrones, Robert and Ned were talking about Warden of the East, Robert gave Jaime the role. Ned argued that Jaime would inherit Warden of the West if Tywin died, and that a man shouldn't hold both.

And I think it is mentioned/suggested elsewhere that Jaime is Tywin's heir.

I think GRRM may have introduced the idea of Kingsguard members relinquishing claims in later books...?

[Green Dreamer]

If the Jaime/Cersei affair is discovered, Jaime/Cersei will be found guilty of treason, executed/sent to the Black.

Tommen and Myrcella will be declared abominations.

But do they loose their claims to Casterly Rock?

[psychogobstopper]

I think GRRM may have introduced the idea of Kingsguard members relinquishing claims in later books...?

This is something I've been wondering about as well. I first read the books last year, so I've recently started a reread and this had me a little confused as I started AGOT for the second time.

Tommen and Myrcella will be declared abominations.

But do they loose their claims to Casterly Rock?

Yes. Bastards do not typically inherit unless legitimized.

[Green Dreamer]

ah I forgot they were bastards! Excellent. Fingers crossed for Kevan's inheritance.

[TheDrawback]

Im for Tyrion getting the Rock :P (probably won't happen :( )

[Blangadanger]

If the Jaime/Cersei affair is discovered, Jaime/Cersei will be found guilty of treason, executed/sent to the Black.

Tommen and Myrcella will be declared abominations.

But do they loose their claims to Casterly Rock?

I've always wondered what the difference is between the Targaryens' in-breeding and the Lannisters'. Why aren't the Targaryen children considered bastards? Is it because they were conceived in marriage? It's always intrigued me that Jaime served under a king that married his sister, yet he chooses not to openly profess his love for his own sister.

Of course Cersei/Jaime would still be condemned if it her children's true father was ever revealed now, because the children are considered the heirs to the throne rather than the Rock, which has more implications. It's implied that the public citizens would condemn the Lannisters, because they make fun of the rumors that Stannis has spread. Did they feel the same way about the Targaryens?

[Euphail]

It depends who is King. When Jon rules and Tyrion returns, Tyrion will be heir

[WinterfellWoman]

I've always wondered what the difference is between the Targaryens' in-breeding and the Lannisters'. Why aren't the Targaryen children considered bastards? Is it because they were conceived in marriage? It's always intrigued me that Jaime served under a king that married his sister, yet he chooses not to openly profess his love for his own sister.

Of course Cersei/Jaime would still be condemned if it her children's true father was ever revealed now, because the children are considered the heirs to the throne rather than the Rock, which has more implications. It's implied that the public citizens would condemn the Lannisters, because they make fun of the rumors that Stannis has spread. Did they feel the same way about the Targaryens?

Yes, the reason the Targaryen's children were not considered bastards is because they were conceived in marriage. After all, the definition of a bastard is a person conveived/born out of wedlock.

Possible mild spoiler if you haven't finished SoS(doesn't reveal anything from the plot):

I'm fairly certain it mentions it somewhere in SoS that no one really liked the Targaryen's habit of incest, but everyone was too afraid to oppose it. Having power over dragons can do that for ya. :cool4:

[Desch]

I don't know if it is stated explicitly somewhere but the title ''Warden of the NSEW'' doesn't seem to be hereditary or even bound to a house. For me it looks like the Targaryens chose the most loyal or fit candidate from the kingdoms. But since the Starks ruled the north, the Arryns the east, the Lannisters the west. The decision was pretty easy. Also all of them were kings in their own right before the conquest.The riverlands are in the middle and I believe the Targaryens where smart enough not to make the Iron men Wardens of something except their own sorry isles. Dorne, the Reach and the Stormlands could maybe fight for the right of warden of the south but I think the constellation had something to do with power and rank. The stormlands were bastards of the Targaryens and Dorne not in the realm for another 200 years. And the Tyrells very thankful being Lords of Highgarden and therefore loyal.

This title is pretty variable.

[Chelisandre]

This is under the assumption Tyrion cannot inherit because he's accused of poisoning Joffrey, right?

Also because (major spoiler from later in the book)

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Tyrion was found guilty of the murder during trial by combat then he kills his father. I don't know if he will be inheriting anything... He might have to take it by force.