If the Greyjoys do attack Oldtown.......?

[Ser Jared Frey]

Moqorro is a fanatic. He probably cares about the fire and blood that the Dragon will unleash more than he does about his own well being. Besides, like Mellisandre, he may be able to see his own future to some extent, and know how things will pan out for him, and how to slip away when necessary.

I always thought that red priests prioritize themselves above almost anything else. To say that he cares about the power the dragon will release more than his own life is a stretch. Melisandre always looked into her future before anyone elses, even Stannis, her Azor Ahai.

The other option is more believable. He's seen what Euron has done to the horn, but chooses not to say anything for his own personal gain, which he has also already seen in the fires.

[Free Northman]

Euron is no player and no mastermind or a maester he is depend of his foreign crew to know anything about the horn so I don't belief he knows all it's just a prob for him

Euron had a team of blood sorcerors, warlocks and shadowbinders in his service. Collectively they have far more arcane knowledge than Victarrion's random castaway fire priest.

And Euron has been consorting with their kind for years, having travelled to Valyria himself as well.

[Pellaeon]

Euron had a team of blood sorcerors, warlocks and shadowbinders in his service. Collectively they have far more arcane knowledge than Victarrion's random castaway fire priest.

And Euron has been consorting with their kind for years, having travelled to Valyria himself as well.

And why didn't he sail to Dany himself get the dragons and then sail to westeros and take the throne? Did he belief dragons wouldn't be good at the kingsmoot?

[Free Northman]

And why didn't he sail to Dany himself get the dragons and then sail to westeros and take the throne? Did he belief dragons wouldn't be good at the kingsmoot?

For the same reason that he didn't send Victarrion with a single ship to Dany. He needed a fleet first, and had to therefore win the Kingsmoot first.

[Pellaeon]

For the same reason that he didn't send Victarrion with a single ship to Dany. He needed a fleet first, and had to therefore win the Kingsmoot first.

Why should he need a fleet? He sailed to Valyria on his own, he didn't need a fleet to sail to meeren let a random guy blow the horn and use the dragons to took over the city

[mor2]

To be 100% honest...and this won't happen now...but by a mile the best Greyjoy play now would be to quietly patch up things with the Tyrells and attack the Westerlands, which are virtually depleted/undefended, in a much more viable resupply/logistical line for the Iron Islands, involve more immediate material gain, and unlike the Reach, cannot quickly send much held by land, and maybe not any by sea.

Look at the map...think of the history. This is a, forgive me, Golden opportunity.

(More accurately, this would have been better before Raventree fell...but still very viable, especially if you get in league with any of the other players.)

The tyrells are basically sitting on the Iron throne, why would they attack one of "their" provinces, with a family they are allied with(and loosing grasp on KL)? Bending over the Ironborn, finishing to bend over the North and when news break bending over Griffin would be the Iron throne top priorities.

[Free Northman]

Why should he need a fleet? He sailed to Valyria on his own, he didn't need a fleet to sail to meeren let a random guy blow the horn and use the dragons to took over the city

Maybe he needs the Horn to be blown in the presence of the Dragons. Maybe he thought he would have to fight his way through to the Dragonpit or wherever they're kept.

Maybe he thought a fleet would make Dany take interest and invite him over to see the Dragons.

Maybe he thought it would be very risky and preferred to send his warrior brother and his Iron Fleet to do the dirty work, while he sat with his feet up and waited for the Dragons to be delivered to him.

The point is, if his entire strategy hinges on Dragons, why would he give the Dragon Horn to the brother that hates him, without making sure that he was already the Horn's master?

[Pellaeon]

Maybe he needs the Horn to be blown in the presence of the Dragons. Maybe he thought he would have to fight his way through to the Dragonpit or wherever they're kept.

Maybe he thought a fleet would make Dany take interest and invite him over to see the Dragons.

Maybe he thought it would be very risky and preferred to send his warrior brother and his Iron Fleet to do the dirty work, while he sat with his feet up and waited for the Dragons to be delivered to him.

The point is, if his entire strategy hinges on Dragons, why would he give the Dragon Horn to the brother that hates him, without making sure that he was already the Horn's master?

He just could ask for an audience with Dany and so ...

And the question is: Did he know of the Hornmaster or did he belief his position as King make him hornmaster because he theoretic ruled over Victarion, or he is the hornmaster because he found the horn

Did he even belief the horn work? Or is it just a prob so he can blame Victarion if it doesn't work

[Free Northman]

He just could ask for an audience with Dany and so ...

And the question is: Did he know of the Hornmaster or did he belief his position as King make him hornmaster because he theoretic ruled over Victarion, or he is the hornmaster because he found the horn

Did he even belief the horn work? Or is it just a prob so he can blame Victarion if it doesn't work

Yeah sure. Euron is going to leave such a thing to chance. Not.

And if he didn't believe in the Horn, then he would never have attacked the entire Westeros. Because without Dragons, he had no hope in hell of success.

Of course he knows all there is to know about the Horn. He has had his sorcerors studying it for years before he arrived at the Kingsmoot. In contrast, Victarrion has had it for a few weeks, and has to rely on a chance-met fire priest for any knowledge he has on it.

Come on, be realistic here. Euron is toying with Victarrion.

[Pellaeon]

Yeah sure. Euron is going to leave such a thing to chance. Not.

And if he didn't believe in the Horn, then he would never have attacked the entire Westeros. Because without Dragons, he had no hope in hell of success.

Of course he knows all there is to know about the Horn. He has had his sorcerors studying it for years before he arrived at the Kingsmoot. In contrast, Victarrion has had it for a few weeks, and has to rely on a chance-met fire priest for any knowledge he has on it.

Come on, be realistic here. Euron is toying with Victarrion.

OK, he may believe it, but how skilled are his sorcerors, we know that the red priest often lets say have luck with magic, so if what he belief right or wrong, thats the question

[Free Northman]

OK, he may believe it, but how skilled are his sorcerors, we know that the red priest often lets say have luck with magic, so if what he belief right or wrong, thats the question

Victarrion is a limited character. He was created by Martin with a limited motivation - the need for vengeance against his brother. And that motivation was used to direct him like an arrow at Dany.

His storyline doesn't have far to go. Martin has stated that he needs to start killing of POV characters, and Victarrion is a prime candidate for early retirement.

His last thought as Euron's trap closes in around him will probably of the sound of creaking hinges as a door opens in a dark room.

It's all been set up prettily by Martin.

[Pellaeon]

Victarrion is a limited character. He was created by Martin with a limited motivation - the need for vengeance against his brother. And that motivation was used to direct him like an arrow at Dany.

His storyline doesn't have far to go. Martin has stated that he needs to start killing of POV characters, and Victarrion is a prime candidate for early retirement.

His last thought as Euron's trap closes in around him will probably of the sound of creaking hinges as a door opens in a dark room.

It's all been set up prettily by Martin.

Victarion's storyline have the purpose to bring Dany ships and bring her to westeros, she needs a master of ships, Victarion is perfect for this, if GRRM starts to kill POV he start with character who aren't importend like the only POV in Essos who know how to command a fleet

[Free Northman]

Victarion's storyline have the purpose to bring Dany ships and bring her to westeros, she needs a master of ships, Victarion is perfect for this, if GRRM starts to kill POV he start with character who aren't importend like the only POV in Essos who know how to command a fleet

Dany's not there anymore. Victarrion is going to arrive in the midst of a battle, with Dragons flying around freely in the city after Quentyns botched dragontaming incident.

Victarrion is going to sound his Horn and try and STEAL one or more of Dany's dragons. He is not coming there to serve as her general.

There is a reason that Dany is away with Drogon at the moment. Because Drogon needs to escape Victarrion's horn. So by the time Dany gets back, Victarrion and his horn will have come and gone, along with Viserion and Rhaegal.

In the aftermath, Victarrion isn't going to be Dany's friend all of a sudden. He will be the man who stole her Dragons.

Dany isn't coming home with Victarrion. She will probably go home through Volantis and then Pentos, giving her Dragons time to grow enough to actually be useful on the battlefield.

[Falrinn]

I'm thinking Euron has no intention of holding the city, at least in the short term. He simply wants to raid it because there is something there he wants.

Since Oldtown happens to be both the oldest continually inhabited city in Westeros (predating the Andal invasion, making it over 6,000 years old) and it is the location of the Citadel, who knows what artifacts are present and could be useful to Euron.

[Free Northman]

I'm thinking Euron has no intention of holding the city, at least in the short term. He simply wants to raid it because there is something there he wants.

Since Oldtown happens to be both the oldest continually inhabited city in Westeros (predating the Andal invasion, making it over 6,000 years old) and it is the location of the Citadel, who knows what artifacts are present and could be useful to Euron.

Very good point.

Attacking the Tyrells never made sense. But if what he really wants is in Oldtown, then this move suddenly appears more meaningful.

[Pellaeon]

Dany's not there anymore. Victarrion is going to arrive in the midst of a battle, with Dragons flying around freely in the city after Quentyns botched dragontaming incident.

Victarrion is going to sound his Horn and try and STEAL one or more of Dany's dragons. He is not coming there to serve as her general.

In the aftermath, Victarrion isn't going to be Dany's friend all of a sudden. He will be the man who stole her Dragons.

He want to harm his brother and marry "his bride" he not only wants to steal the dragons

[Pellaeon]

I'm thinking Euron has no intention of holding the city, at least in the short term. He simply wants to raid it because there is something there he wants.

Since Oldtown happens to be both the oldest continually inhabited city in Westeros (predating the Andal invasion, making it over 6,000 years old) and it is the location of the Citadel, who knows what artifacts are present and could be useful to Euron.

Euron want the citadel and the knowledge, knowledge is power, and he would harm the hole relm by destroying the citadel and cutting the suppley of maesters

[Free Northman]

He want to harm his brother and marry "his bride" he not only wants to steal the dragons

You don't seriously think that Dany was ever going to marry Victarrion, do you? Besides, she isn't likely to take too kindly to the man who is trying to take control of her dragons through that magical Horn he's about to sound.

[Pellaeon]

You don't seriously think that Dany was ever going to marry Victarrion, do you? Besides, she isn't likely to take too kindly to the man who is trying to take control of her dragons through that magical Horn he's about to sound.

I believe she will be attracted to him, he is exactly her type like Drogo, he may look like him, if she marry him? Maybe

[Falrinn]

Euron want the citadel and the knowledge, knowledge is power, and he would harm the hole relm by destroying the citadel and cutting the suppley of maesters

Another excellent possibility.

I should also mention that the last known copy of "The Death of the Dragons" is at the Citadel. If Euron knows about it, he'll want to either get his hands on it or, failing that, destroy it. The last thing he'd need is to go through all this trouble to get his hands on a Dragon only for the maesters to kill it the same way they killed the last Targeryan dragons (assuming they were responsible of course).