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(Book Spoilers) Margaery Tyrell

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Sorry but, Renly being gay, with Loras as his lover, was always out there and so was Stannis sleeping with Mel. It was never left to the imagination. I don't care for the actress, however, I like her portrayal of Margaery.

Yeah, I'm at a loss with people not realizing Renly was gay, or that Stannis only had sex with Melisandre to make the shadow babies. (as if that would have gone over better than just seducing him which is more immoral but way less creepy)

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For me, the actress playing "Yara" doesn't look like she's lived in tough conditions - I'd expect a young woman who commands her own ship of raiders to be lean and tough. I certainly don't picture Asha as Keira Knightley, who looks like a stiff breeze might snap her arms. But I do picture Asha as a hard, athletic woman capable of keeping a ship full of reavers in line, and I can't see this actress doing anything close to that. If she lost the perpetual smirk, she'd have been a good choice to play the over-ripe Lysa Arryn described in the books. Or Lollys Stokeworth.

As for attractiveness, I always picture Asha with dark hair, dark eyes and a big nose :drunk: . Not "pretty" but charismatic, funny and sexy - as she is in the books.

I could not agree more with this post, my thoughts exactly.

I also agree with the last post by "brena". I like Olenna Tyrell as much as anyone, but she is not "needed" for the show, when Natalie Dormer is playing Margaery, because she is more than capable of pulling off both characters. I really think she proved that in episode 3. Everyone said to give the actress playing Yara a shot, to see if she is a good fit for Asha, but after two episodes I am just more and more convinced that she is a horrible fit for the character. If the actress playing Yara had pulled of Asha, the same way that Natalie Dormer pulled off Margaery Tyrell the first time we see her, then I would be singing a far different toon, regardless of the actress not looking physically attractive in a way that Asha does. I don't mind the show changing the characters a bit, or even the actors changing the characters a bit, as long as its a positive change. Margaery in the show was definitely a positive change, Yara in the show was a horrible change. It just really sucks not being able to look forward to any of the Yara scene's in the show, I was so excited for the show getting to Asha's character, and now I dread it.

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Yeah, I'm at a loss with people not realizing Renly was gay, or that Stannis only had sex with Melisandre to make the shadow babies. (as if that would have gone over better than just seducing him which is more immoral but way less creepy)

I think what exactly happened between Meli and Stannis sexually is way more open to interpretation than Loras and Renly.

Loras and Renly were in love.

Meli and Stannis...why did they have sex when he has a wife? Did he know of the shadow babies? Did he realize that it was making him feeble? Did it start out as just a "dutiful" way to make shadow babies and then turn into something more lustrous? Or was Stannis just simply seduced?

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Natalie Dormer as Margaery is to old and to ugly, but I have to say that I like that they have made her more scheming.

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Maybe too old.....but ugly? She does kind of have a different look to her, but I think she's far from ugly...

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Maybe too old.....but ugly? She does kind of have a different look to her, but I think she's far from ugly...

I think she is more ugly than Brienne. It looks like someone have pinched Natalie in the face with a giant hand, and I hate her eyes.

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Maybe too old.....but ugly? She does kind of have a different look to her, but I think she's far from ugly...

I don't think she is to old, and she is definitely not to ugly. Did people not see that rockin sexy naked body, or what? I agree she has a unique look, and at first I didn't think it was pretty, but I never once thought it was ugly. She definitely grew on me though, and now I really like her unique look. Even so, a face like hers may not be appealing to everybody, but when you see her face, with that perfect body, and her awesome confidence, I don't know how anyone could think she is ugly. She is way better looking than Brienne in the show, and Brienne in the books, and I think Brienne in the show looks way better looking than Yara in the show(not Asha in the books).

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She has a beautiful body, obviously, but her face isn't very pretty. I'm fine with her being older than the book-Margaery, though.

About Ysha, I agree that she doesn't seem to have lived under very harsh conditions. She looks a bit like Balon and sort of got that bleakness that characterizes the Iron islands, but I would have preferred someone who looked a bit more wiry and tough.

Very happy with the Brienne casting, though.

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I had my reservations about Dormer playing Margaery. Certainly it wasn't how I (and a lot of other people) imagined the character from the books but now that I've seen the whole Renly/Loras/Margaery scene I can understand the changes they made. I guess they wanted someone older and more world weary to go toe to toe with Cersei later on and it would've looked more believable for a woman of closer age and experience- it also accounts for her 'sexiness.' Funny because I was quite annoyed with her over the top sexy act in The Tudors...but this very thing somehow works for me better in GoT.

What's even more strange is that I can actually imagine her even more with* Tommen now that the character is being played by an older woman. Yes, because she is an older woman and almost a mother figure I could very well see Tommen being swayed by her. It is squicky that she happens to be his wife but ironically, also another mother figure in his life because of her age- and thus, a threat to Cersei on that level, too. That she is good at convincing people like Renly shows she'll be good in handling Tommen and getting him on her side. "Yes, my dear Tommen. If you want to play with your crayons, then you shall. You're a king and no one can tell you otherwise...even your mother."

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My two cents on Maergery :

Pro : I love the way they extend her role, I was wondering wether we will see more of her, as in the book, she is just mentionned once and don't do much. I don't know how far they will go with her during the season, but she shows an interesting game in her conversation with Renly

Con: She was supposed to be a 16 year old maid (remmeber : she is just 3 years older than Sansa) and her behaviour with Loras is problematic. I read soimoewhere in this thread "cheesy softporn" and I deeply agree. This scene seems to be taken of a bad blue movie.

I don't believe any 16 year old maid would behave like this unless she has had some experience, and this raises questions on the coming events. This portrayal of Maergery raises doubts on her virginity, and questions the coming plot with Cersei in AFFC.

I am generally speaking fed up with HBO "sexy" treatment of the show. I know it is supposed to help to "keep the attention" of the viewer while explaining some important point, but come on. People are not that dumb, are they ?

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Margaery was too submissive. Didn't like that one bit. One moment she's fierce and loyal then the next she's willing to be done doggy style side by side with her twin brother, all for her husband and king. I get that she has agreed to be Queen for her brother and for her family but I always imagined Margaery to be... I dunno... cool yet strong willed. This Margaery seems a bit soft and lacking of a backbone.

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Did he know of the shadow babies? Did he realize that it was making him feeble? Did it start out as just a "dutiful" way to make shadow babies and then turn into something more lustrous? Or was Stannis just simply seduced?

He undoubtably knows that Melisandre is capable of conjuring some dark shit, otherwise why would he direct Davos to take her under the castle? Whether or not he knows what form it takes is questionable, I suppose.

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I am generally speaking fed up with HBO "sexy" treatment of the show. I know it is supposed to help to "keep the attention" of the viewer while explaining some important point, but come on. People are not that dumb, are they ?

IMBD rating of True Blood

Ratings: 8.1/10

I think this is proof that they are.

After seeing the next episode, it is clear that knowlege of Renly's predelections are very widespread. I don't think it is surprising for her to offer to include her brother, though I doubt she had plans to make it a real threesome as much as using him as a fluffer.

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i am always surprised when people say they didn't realize that renly is gay. i thought it was pretty much spelled out in the text.

anyway...

i didn't quite like the new sexy-marge at first, but i warmed to the character a lot more when she showed she really does have a brain and a strong grasp of politics.

yes but the problem with Sexy-marg is that a woman who is overly sexual/overly prone to love is actually stupid with a poor grasp of politics.

That's why Catherine Howard is widely considered an idiot.

and all those women involved in the tour de nesle affair are also idiots.

The only thing that went wrong for Anne Boleyn was her inability to bear a male heir, which led to the false accusations of adultery. Anne Boleyn's ability to withhold sex (her great chastity spiel) was the thing that enabled her to become Queen.

So sexy-marg is therefore a much weaker stupider character than 'innocent' Margaery.

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yes but the problem with Sexy-marg is that a woman who is overly sexual/overly prone to love is actually stupid with a poor grasp of politics.

I take back what I said before : some people ARE stupid.

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I just watched the episode. First of all Margaery, suggesting to Renly that loras should join them, wtf?! and what with all the sex scenes?!

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Every time I thought of Margaery I think of a pretty 14 year old maiden as described in the books. She may be 15 by the time AcoK comes along but still... It's strange to see a 30 year old Natalie Dormer playing a sex kitten Margaery. I know they can't use anyone under 18 for because of the sex scenes but I feel HBO are making some of the characters way too old. Lets say that HBO decides to make the whole series. That will take years. At least 5-6 if they make a season every year. By this time Natalie Dormer will be closer to 40 then she will be 30 playing a girl who is will still be a teenager.

Margaery isn't the only character I'm worried about. Sansa will be in her 20's and won't look like a Naive child anymore. Bran and Ayra will be the biggest problems though we will notice their growth the most. Most of the Stark children act like children through out the book. It will be hard to watch men and women trying to act ten years younger then they are. If anything I think they should have cast younger people so they could grow into their roles.

Also, leave it to HBO to make a sub plot with Renly coming to terms with his gayness. They cut a lot of important info from this season yet they needed to add that sub plot.

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