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Feel free to take a look and tell me what page to go back and start reading on since you have the book out and all :D lol

Heh. It's chapter one hundred four (though you may want to skip the first page of that chapter, since I'm getting allerfic reactions even from the comparatively mild drivel there) through to the end of 105. If you have the UK hardback it's 677-689, if it's any other edition I dunno.

Blimey, I'd forgotten quite how bad the bad bit is.

Responding to Sciborg and his criteria: I'm into every single person you mentioned apart from Goodkind, who I don't like, and Valente, who I want to try but haven't yet. Do I get an intro to your sister?

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Into Bakker: Beware endless analysis and pedantic navel gazing. This guy will never respect your intelligence (my sis was econ with minors in compsci and biology), unless you majored in philosophy.

That's funny. That's why I have no respect for Bakker's intelligence.

Into Abercrombie: Might be funny, but also might have a higher estimation of his humor than the reality.

I disagree. I love Joe. Love.

Into Rothfuss: “A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space.”

And I love Rothfuss's prose. Probably even in the chapter that shall not be named if I could bring myself to read it.

Now write summaries for 8 female fantasy authors regarding their thoughts on men, quick. I'm going to sit here and count.

ETA: I don't think I have dated anyone who didn't read SFF since I was 15. She'll be OK. Last summer, I even hung out within a mile of BlizzCon, but that's true love speaking, right there.

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Responding to Sciborg and his criteria: I'm into every single person you mentioned apart from Goodkind, who I don't like, and Valente, who I want to try but haven't yet. Do I get an intro to your sister?

Sister taken - married actually.

Like I said, with Joe he's going to be an awesome, hilarious guy or the guy who doesn't know when the joke's gone stale.

Now write summaries for 8 female fantasy authors regarding their thoughts on men, quick. I'm going to sit here and count.

I've got a few female authors in the TBR pile (Jemisin, Kameron Hurley, Bear, Susan Ee, more Kiernan shorts)

So that's five I'll try down the road.

I'm trying to say something with Valente, Gail Simone, and Jenna Moran but nothing is coming to me at the moment...

Sorry Lady Raidne, I have failed you. :crying:

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Sister taken - married actually.

Like I said, with Joe he's going to be an awesome, hilarious guy or the guy who doesn't know when the joke's gone stale.

I've got a few female authors in the TBR pile (Jemisin, Kameron Hurley, Bear, Susan Ee, more Kiernan shorts)

So that's five I'll try down the road.

I'm trying to say something with Valente, Gail Simone, and Jenna Moran but nothing is coming to me at the moment...

Sorry Lady Raidne, I have failed you. :crying:

You can't possibly be saying that those three are the only female fantasy authors you've read? If I'm not misreading you I'd find that staggering from someone who's as generally knowledgeable of the genre as you. And I say that as someone who's bookshelves are very male-weighted.

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My point about male and female gamers has nothing to do with what individual tastes should be like - so no worries about your woman card ;). But among the population such games as you described are predominantly male.

Not that I question your femininity or anything, but why do you think you are very feminine? Are you referring to physical appearance and features or behaviour? Because the games you mentioned are not only male-dominated, but often attract the macho-man type of gamers, those who would never play games with elves and dwarves.

I'm so glad that I can laugh at myself and generally do not take myself too seriously. So questioning my femininity won't make me cry :bawl:

To answer your question I am very much the girly girl, meaning that I like clothes, shoes, frills and lace, the color pink, etc. And physically I am feminine as well (I think - not really sure what the reqs are).

But my original point is that asking the question of why women don't read fantasy isn't really a fair question. A lot of women do. And I think if more women knew how much anger/stress you can release through gaming (especially military games) they would probably be more inclined to get into it.

It also depends on age and life status as well. I used to game and read a lot before I had my son. Now I stay up until midnight just to read a chapter or two and hop on to this site whenever I have 5 min to myself. And as far as gaming goes it also depends on money. I was always broke as hell trying to get myself through school so until I met my hubs it was a luxury I couldn't afford.

But I definitely have noticed that (generally) men and women that read fantasy are pretty eclectic in their tastes as well as being open minded and usually have above average levels of intelligence. And I like that, especially about this community.

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Is that really necessary??

P.S. If you met your female friends through an anime club, they definitely don't count as people you simply met up with... anime nerds are pretty low in the food chain if you know what i mean.

Sciborg2 is defending me now? THE SEVENTH SEAL IS BROKEN. LET THE ETC ETC BLOOD AND DARKNESS ETC.

Ahem.

No its NOT necessary, that was kind of my point.But if you haven't read the other thread I can see how that kinda seems out of the blue.

As for us anime nerds being low on the food chain, yes, lets make fun of someone for there weird tastes! That NEVER EVER HAPPENS TO PEOPLE WHO READ FANTASY!,

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Hey, I might be a geek, but that doesn't mean I can't still make fun of the filkers,

Be careful you might end up making fun of the people you respect, eg Mira Grant is Seanan Mcguire who is a filker.

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I mean that

the absolute rubbishness of the Felurian scenes detracts from and, if people are skimming it, may cause people to brush over, the Cthaeth scene and the discussion in the pub about it, which I think when taken on their own are amazing and which fall in the middle of the bullshit.

Oh God I know, That scene scared the shit out of me, and its surrounded by kung fu sex.

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You can't possibly be saying that those three are the only female fantasy authors you've read? If I'm not misreading you I'd find that staggering from someone who's as generally knowledgeable of the genre as you. And I say that as someone who's bookshelves are very male-weighted.

I'm actually as shocked as you. I didn't even think of it until Raidne asked me to do the same for female authors. I'll have to go back but I think I have a higher number of female authors for shorts, which accounts for a large percentage of what I read.

Though I have long hiatus periods from SFF fiction. I mean I'm always reading comics, but often I read non-fiction.

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ETA: I don't think I have dated anyone who didn't read SFF since I was 15.

This, except for me it was more like 28. :lol: I've always ended up with video game and/or sports geeks who don't read actual books.

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You can't possibly be saying that those three are the only female fantasy authors you've read? If I'm not misreading you I'd find that staggering from someone who's as generally knowledgeable of the genre as you. And I say that as someone who's bookshelves are very male-weighted.

I dunno, I tend to not read a huge amount of stuff from female writers either, and it's not really for lack of trying. My reads tend to come from this literature section since well, I need to order them online due to living in the Pit Of Satan etc. so I need to be relatively sure it won't be a waste of time and money. Library stocks old poetry, classics (translated) and the latest Dan Brown, so no point trying there.

Anyways, it's actually hard finding good recs for female authors, or they tend to get bogged down in other, more highly regarded works (although I have taken a vow not to bother with Bakker more, honest!).

I've made a point of branching out into Urban Fantasy, but it really is hard to navigate the pitfalls of vampire/werewolf porn and only get the decent stuff, especially if you are looking for things written by female authors.

Off the top of my head, I have this year read: Le Guin, Stephanie Meyer (haha), Kim Harrison, Kelley Armstrong and a couple of native ones that nobody but us northerners would know. But not a huge amount by any means.

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Nuke, i know what you mean. I don't know ANYONE outside of my parents who DOESN'T read fantasy. So someone knowing not ONE female that reads fantasy is mind boggling to me. I just...do you all live in Twin Peaks?

Someone else, I forget, mentioned how narrow this boards focus is on fantasy and I totally agree. Its Erikson/Bakker/Martin/Abercrombie/and now Rofuthuswtfever. Repeat. Abraham deserves 10 more threads at least and NO ONE ever talks about Gene Wolfe, which is just heretical. Bringing up other authors seems to bring the trolls out of the woodwork. Sure Glen Cook is popualr but the one thread he had had people I've never seen before popiing in to go LOL GLEN COOK SUCKS HE RIPS OF GOT LINIEAR TIME WHAT?

It's worse for women. Anyone remember the "are there good women authors thread?" Were the OP was pretty much "OH well I read of bunch of female authors but they suck lolz women iz dumb".? That was a fun one.

Fuck, you can't even get a Robin Hobb one going. I think one of the longest running threads about a female author is about OUTLANDER for fucks sake. I could go on all day about that one.

Fuck 4 messages while I'm typing this? Damn guys.

Back to GrackRage

Try and bring up an author that's not part of the accepted few, see if you can get it to go anywhere.

I mean I asked about Paula Volsky once and I got the feeling that I had just walked into British Parliament and spoken iin ancient greek. Shit.

I won't even get into the response Kate Elliott and Elizabeth Haydon get(yeah I like Haydon suck it).

@sciborg2 I really am starting to get Valentines article now.

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I try not to ask too many questions about the boy's gaming habits. I also have a female friend at work who is reading GoT. It is BIZARRO for me to talk about the series with people from my regular life after this long. I have to, like, tone it WAAAAY down. No "what. does. Littlefinger. want. with. the. tapestries." But I like to act all shocked at the R+L=J. You know, OMG, you are RIGHT!!! I never saw it!

Really?

Please.

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Of the small group of people I watch GoT with, the two females are the only ones who read it before the show came out.

Hell, one of them is the person who told me to read it.

Aren't stereotypes just the BEST?

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When i was a kid it was either reading the fantasy shelf (which was pretty equal, Jordan, Eddings and of course, Tolkien, but also Katherine Kerr, Janny Wurtz, Maggie Furey, Elizabeth Moon (ugh), that woman who wrote about weirdo animal people (only read the first book) Marion Zimmer-Bradley, a bunch of celtic fantasy (there was one with a stone that could call lightning I know) Susan Cooper...

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It's Valente, but glad to hear it. ;-)

Yeah. Rage + keyboard + I cant type + I cant spell......not a good combo.

Also, speaking of female writers. Katherine Kurtz has been doing what GRRM does since the 70s. Respect, you heathens.

Also, is this Glenda Larke any good? Got the first Stormlord book here on the pile. BUt its a 400+ pile, but if its good I can move it up the queue.

She has a really good list of female writers there. A lot that you don't see mentioned here because OMG THERES NO GRITTY KNIGHTS WHO FUCK WHAAA THIS IS FOR KIDS.

I mean, there's a few there I would not recommend(Douglas cough cough) but the ones I have read I like overall. Should give some of the others a shot.

Shit, Douglas brings something else up. I noticed despite having written SEVERAL series in which the main character is told she is going to be raped until she likes it...and SHE DOES, she never caught any flak for it. Can you imagine is Martin did something like that? This board would crucify him. Do you think there's a double standard at work or is it just the readership for.bodice ripper fantasy(as I Cal lit, and will now trademark) has a completely different mindset? Some of the misogyny in her books make Bakker look like Dr Seuss.

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