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I enjoyed this episode a lot. The Winterfell scenes were great. Also very happy to hear that Ramsey hasn't entirely been cut.

I'm just waiting on the fan rage for the changes, particularly Dany's dragons being stolen. I can't wait to read the bitching for a whole week.

I have no problem with the stolen eggs, I'm just bitching about Irri dying.

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I wonder if the person who betrayed Dani is Doreah. Whoever it was it, am guessing The warlocks have them and that's the reason she goes to the house of the undying. Big departure but makes sense, always wondered that no one tried this in the book.

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Glad to hear Ramsay will be in it. But as a purist, this season has been painful. The show only uses the books as a guideline now. Don't say it's because of "budget." Last season stayed very close to the books, and a lot of plots/scenes have been added. Most of the dialogue in the show now never happened in the books.

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Are you thinking of Rickard Karstark? Rodrik gets half his arm cut off by Ramsay when he shows up with the Dreadfort garrison and is killed as the Boltons begin attacking the rest of the Stark-loyal men.

The botched beheading happened in the books too, I think, just not with Ser Rodrik obviously. Also, it wasn't shown, IIRC. I seem to remember Theon inwardly raging about beheading somebody and it taking more than one stroke and making him look bad.

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This is so wrong. We're not going to see Dany's visions, only DRAKARIS and boom, no more Pyat Pree. Disgusting. I'm not angry because of the theft, just because of what it origined. I wanted to see Rhaegar, the Blue winter Roses and the Red Wedding. I don't want to HBO to kill every handmaid.

At least Ramsey is in. Good, I want to see him dead in the books and in the series. And there's hope for Jojen and Meera, that's very, very good. And the King's Landing scenes were great.

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The botched beheading happened in the books too, I think, just not with Ser Rodrik obviously. Also, it wasn't shown, IIRC. I seem to remember Theon inwardly raging about beheading somebody and it taking more than one stroke and making him look bad.

Yeah, it was Farlen, after the hunt for the boys. I edited that post but with the server the way it is, it took an hour or so to go through.

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WHO took the dragons???????

Had to be the Warlocks. I imagine that large tower is the House of the Undying.

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It is now a given that there are going to be big deviations from the books. I judge on whether they make the series better, worse, or just different. Tonight it was all better for me.

Shae/Sanza

Kidnapped dragons

Both improved the show. With all the serious action and excitement in the 7 kingdoms, Dany needed a thrill/ excitement boost to her storyline. Otherwise it can drag in this book.

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Do we know for certain that Irri is dead? If so they're really reducing her Khalasar to a handful of people.

Also, the reason I was so happy to hear that Roose's "bastard" hasn't been cut (even though he was never cast) is because it gives us hope that the Reeds will turn up next season too. I imagine this season must somehow end with Bran and Rickon emerging from the crypts and we'll just see a helmeted Ramsey "take back" Winterfell.

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This is so wrong. We're not going to see Dany's visions, only DRAKARIS and boom, no more Pyat Pree. Disgusting. I'm not angry because of the theft, just because of what it origined. I wanted to see Rhaegar, the Blue winter Roses and the Red Wedding. I don't want to HBO to kill every handmaid.

At least Ramsey is in. Good, I want to see him dead in the books and in the series. And there's hope for Jojen and Meera, that's very, very good. And the King's Landing scenes were great.

I'm pretty sure that whoever stole the dragons is going to the house of the undying, so she will probably pick them up there.

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Glad to hear Ramsay will be in it. But as a purist, this season has been painful. The show only uses the books as a guideline now. Don't say it's because of "budget." Last season stayed very close to the books, and a lot of plots/scenes have been added. Most of the dialogue in the show now never happened in the books.

I definitely agree with this. I can't say I dislike this season because it has been amazing at times but I feel that they are just diverging from the books way too far this season compared to last season. I hope they pull it back a little closer as we get further in the season but I really doubt it will!

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Stolen Dragons! Those damn Warlocks! Great twist away from the books. I also love the Arya and Tywin interactions their personalities mesh and this is an improvement from the books in my opinion. I'm also interested to see if Ramsey burns Winterfledt as soon as he takes it over or Robb's marrying that foreign girls springs it. It's also interesting they aren't setting up Tywin using the Westerling Daughter to drive a wedge between the north and the Frey

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Stolen Dragons! Those damn Warlocks! Great twist away from the books. I also love the Arya and Tywin interactions their personalities mesh and this is an improvement from the books in my opinion. I'm also interested to see if Ramsey burns Winterfledt as soon as he takes it over or Robb's marrying that foreign girls springs it. It's also interesting they aren't setting up Tywin using the Westerling Daughter to drive a wedge between the north and the Frey's.

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This was by far my favorite episode of the season. I give it 9/10, but only because I don't think anything can be truly perfect.

The Good:

-Ygritte - I could not stop saying throughout the episode how much I liked her. What a great casting, I'm absolutely stunned. I found it a little strange for Jon to be separated from the other Nights Watch brothers, but I'm sure it'll work itself out in the end. As long as they don't change the real reason for Jon killing the HalfHand (Following orders) then I am completely fine with it

- Arya/Tywin/LittleFinger -I love those scenes, I really do, and even though I know LittleFinger never recognizes Arya, because it never happened in the books and would have been very difficult to explain, it was still nerve-wracking. It was done extremely well. (I say it could never happen, but considering Dany lost the Dragons, I suppose anything can happen?)

- Robb/'Talissa' - So we're setting her up to be a spy then, and actually probably is Jeyne Westerling? I'm fine with that, it makes sense to me, I enjoy it.

-Theon - Wow was that opening scene great or what? Just the facial expressions from Theon when deciding about Roderik, I couldn't help myself from feeling some strong sorrow and even, maybe, sympathy?

- The Riot Scene (and before) - More or less straight out of the books, correct? The anger from Tyrion, the stupidity of Joffrey, the savior-ness(?) of The Hound, and the fear from Sansa were all portrayed wonderfully. When the Septon got torn apart... wow (Speaking of which, Theon cutting off Roderick's head was awesomely gory and a good juxtaposition to the man Ned executes at the beginning of season one

- Dany's first scene - Names escape me, but where she is requesting the ships - That man is wonderfully deviant and quite funny, and a little fierce too, when he wants to be. I think it was one of her best scenes in the show as well.

The "I'm not sure yet"

-Pretty much just the dragons at the end. I don't have a problem with it, and it makes it interesting. It certainly adds more to the House of the Undying, yes?

The Bad

-None?

The Interesting:

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I think all the back-and-forth editing took away from the impact quite a bit. But did like the focus on all the Starks.

1. Sansa beaten, almost raped and rescued by Sandor.

2. Arya spotted by Baelish, Lorch and rescued by Jaqen.

3. Bran and Rickon held captive by Theon and rescued by Osha

4. Robb beguiled by Talisa and rescued from temptation (for now) by his mom.

5. Jon beguiled by Ygritte and rescued from temptation (again for now!) by the cold.

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About the dragons -- I loved seeing two of their tails twitching as they were carried up the steps. And, like someone else just said, I can't wait to see Drogon burn the bad guys to a crisp.

I wonder if the person who betrayed Dani is Doreah. Whoever it was it, am guessing The warlocks have them and that's the reason she goes to the house of the undying. Big departure but makes sense, always wondered that no one tried this in the book.

Yes, this was a big, big shock. Can't believe Irri is dead - Great idea about it being Doreah. I never thought of that, but it was absolutely set up in the last episode.

Just like most have said, big, big changes from the books. I think I can operate in both realities, though. This show was great!

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To me the big wuestion is Dagmer=Ramsey? How else does Bolton know everything that is going on in Winterfell. Luwin sent his message before Rodrik was killed.

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I let out a "woot!" when Roose mentioned his bastard son.

The riot scene was intense. Dismembering the High Septon was a bit much, though; I think the disembowelment and near-rape of a young girl was quite enough, thank you very much.

One change I didn't like was killing Ser Amory with the poison dart. It was a well-done scene on its own, but the great thing about Weese's death was that you were left scratching your head at how he got the dog to go nuts and kill his own master.

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