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This is so wrong. We're not going to see Dany's visions, only DRAKARIS and boom, no more Pyat Pree. Disgusting. I'm not angry because of the theft, just because of what it origined. I wanted to see Rhaegar, the Blue winter Roses and the Red Wedding. I don't want to HBO to kill every handmaid.

At least Ramsey is in. Good, I want to see him dead in the books and in the series. And there's hope for Jojen and Meera, that's very, very good. And the King's Landing scenes were great.

I'm pretty sure that there was nothing that indicated no visions. All the scene was meant to do was to get Dany to the HOTU in an exciting way. Once she gets there Pyat Pree can tell her that if she wants her Dragons she can do what he says. Then she drinks shade of the evening, has visions and gets the Dragons back...then dracarys. Dead warlocks.

Also, killing handmaids=not paying those actors next season which means money to pay other actors. No need to waste budget dollars on Irri, who plays no role in the book other than waiting on Dany, when you can use that on Edmure or Jojen or Meera or Ramsay.

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First, it must be said. It is thee biggest elephant in the room. I saw Tonks' boobs. Stupefy.

I LOLed at how unimpressed Bran was when Theon, with his chest puffed out, gave him his wake up call. It was like Bran was two seconds away from hitting the snooze button and telling Theon to come back in 10 minutes. "God's help you Theon Greyjoy," indeed. RIP Ser Rodrik.

I enjoyed this episode. I'm waiting for the uproar over the Arya/Tywin bond, though, and how Tywin would never, ever, befriend a cup bearer, because he's Tywin and has no time for charming family anecdotes or unnecessary bowel movements -- once a day is plenty. Personally, I can't say I mind that Tywin is being humanized...even made likeable. I think it adds to the grayness of the show. And, the smile Arya let slip when complimented was also something I liked -- I think Arya got a rise out of being complimented by someone as capable as Tywin. She may hate him, but she respects him.

Also, I like how they're going about excusing her three choices...it's shades of the old "wasting 3 wishes" gag. "Damn it, Genie...I wish you would just shut up so I can think...wait, no, I don't wish that!" She was forced to use that "death wish" because of the situation. Littlefinger's appearance in this episode added some decent tension. And, I fully believe that he recognized Arya...and, just chose to keep it to himself. Why would he out Arya when knowledge is power, and outting Arya is giving up power? Can't wait to see where this goes.

Also liked the little tweaks to Ygritte/Jon's meeting. It feels a little more, I dunno, believable that Jon wouldn't allow Ygritte to leave...he just can't bring himself to kill her, so he'd rather try and carry her around as a prisoner. I think Rose Leslie will do well with the role.

Another Joff slap is always fun...add that to the reel. I will make this into a drinking game one day. Also, I like this friendship they're developing between Sansa and Shae. If nothing else, it will give Shae something to do...maybe even turn her into a better character than she was in the books. It'll make her later choices more difficult.

Heh, the Qarth Spice Merchant is good times. I'm sorry, but I kind of enjoyed how condescending he was to Dany. She needs it every so often. The dragon theft was an interesting non-book development...guess this is the GoT crew trying to invent things for Dany to do since she's pretty absent for so much of Clash.

We also got pretty good confrmation that Talisa is indeed a liar and most likely Jeyne. Did anyone see the letter Arya found on Tywin's table? Is Jeyne spying on Robb and sending intel to Tywin? It looks like she's up to no good. Oona Chaplin is hot.

And, thank you, Roose, for confirming that your psychotic bastard, Ramsay, will grace us with his fuckery. Can't wait.

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MAN this episode was awesome! So strong! I loved every second, tbh. I was on the edge of my seat for Arya/Tywin. PHEW that was close. I like the way they got the second name out of her without it being Tywin. Petyr being there just had my heart in my throat for Arya. I love that I don't know whats going to happen, CRUCIFY ME IF YOU MUST, PURISTS, but I actually am loving the changes. Tyrion nailed it.

LOVED the San/San scenes (heart is bursting with happiness)!

Jon/Ygritte made me laugh so hard, loved it! I actually hated Ygritte in the books, but I might actually like this chick a bit.

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I was ready to be mad about Theon killing Rodrik instead of the Boltons, but Roose mentioning his bastard erased that from a deficit to a gain. We still get the Boltons, they'll still betray the Starks, but Theon takes out Rodrik as the more emotional choice. I didn't dislike anything else, so thumbs up to the episode. I do hope Daenerys still somehow gets her visions in the House of the Undying, but I didn't love it enough that its lack will ruin anything for me.

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That was a fabulous episode, perhaps the best so far this season. I enjoyed the deviations. Arya having to rush the kill of Lorch. Arya practically playing peek a boo with Littlefinger. I'm really enjoying her interaction with Tywin because it gives her an out for the most obvious question: why doesn't she use a kill on Tywin. It's harder to that without her inner dialogue.

I LOVE Yrgitte. She's a fantastic casting choice and I enjoyed her new scenes with Jon. Had to giggle at her grinding her ass into Jon. His balls are going to be blue for other reasons that being cold.

And the capper. The Case of the Missing Dragons!!! It gives Dany a lot more to do that just telling everybody she is the Blood of the Dragon/Mother of Dragons/Stormborn/Unburnt...

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Funny park of the episode for me was when Jon was snuggling Ygritte, she started a sentece and I was so sure she was going to say you know nothing John snow and she said instead You're stupid. So close.

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I LOVE Yrgitte. She's a fantastic casting choice and I enjoyed her new scenes with Jon. Had to giggle at her grinding her ass into Jon. His balls are going to be blue for other reasons that being cold.

How dare you, Ser?!?!

There are children on this board!

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Uh... wtf just happened here at the end? I did not see that one coming. Guess Dany has more incentive to visit Pyat Pree at the HotU.

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The changes were even deeper this time. Mostly worked, however.

Theon - I love his lost look after butchering Rodrik. I can almost hear he doubting he did it himself. Maester Luwin and Bran had some great lines and delivery as well. I particularly liked Bran's to-the-point question, and how even Theon himself seems to wonder if he always hated the Starks or if he does even now. If only he had followed a bit more of Maester Luwin's advice. I felt like telling him that in order to be respected as Lord of Winterfell he would have to show a willingness to follow the Northern ways of good will and show mercy at least at first.

ETA: oh, and Rodrik's last line was just perfect. I found myself fully agreeing.

Daenerys - I never expected such a strong deviation from the books. Still, the plot seems to be moving fast.

Jon - I disliked that Jon promised to kill Ygritte in this version of the tale. It is surprising that he seems to have lost the other Rangers. On the plus side, Jon and Ygritte have great chemistry on the screen. I loved their scene together.

Robb - Great lines here as well. Talisa does indeed amputate far better than she lies. Maybe she _is_ a spy for Tywin? I feel that we are expected to suspect so.

Tywin - The dislexia line caught me unaware. I don't know what to make of Tywin as a parent after that.

Arya - Great justification for choosing Amory Lorch. Arya probably expects to have some use as a spy for Robb and therefore would rather not ask for Tywin's head, particularly now that he has bonded somewhat with her. Great scene with the book of Houses, as well.

Catelyn - She picked up on Robb's feelings the moment she saw him with Talisa. I liked that. I wish I could disagree with her reminder about Robb's duties.

Asha - I am not in love with the changes seen, but are they even changes at all? They fit perfectly with Asha's pragmatism.

Roose Bolton - So now he is intentionally loosing Ramsay on Winterfell, and announcing that he is doing so? Quite a change, although it might not have lasting consequences.

Petyr Baelish - Does the timeline in the books fit his suggestion that the Lannisters pursue an alliance with the Tyrells? It does sound exactly like the sort of insidious counsel that he would give to weaken everyone else.

On that note, it is interesting that apparently the unholy magic used to kill Renly isn't such a secret in the TV show. I have a feeling that we will have more clear reason to question Davos' opinion about Stannis here. Which, of course, is a good thing - Stannis gets the "get out of prison free" card way too often.

ETA: I found myself wondering about Lollys. Does she even exist in this continuity? It could go either way.

A pity that the riot scene did not involve horses. They would have added a lot. Budgets are a sad reality.

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Is it OK to discuss the scenes from the next episode in this thread, or should that go to the E7 section?

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WHO took the dragons???????

And how was this episode over so quickly? Best one yet, I think.

@ Joshua Stephens and Greyjoy07

Wow!!!! Never seen that coming and don't have a clue who took them! Anybody else have any suggestions. Think they added this to give Dany more scenes since so few in the books.

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One change I didn't like was killing Ser Amory with the poison dart. It was a well-done scene on its own, but the great thing about Weese's death was that you were left scratching your head at how he got the dog to go nuts and kill his own master.

I'd argue that it's pretty damn impressive for him to get that blow dart into him without anyone seeing, I mean, that hallway can't have been too big. Maybe not supernatural, but damn talented

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Talissa = Jeyne this makes so much sense how'd I miss that. Anyways this is a way better set up than in the books. Glad Ramsey will make an appearance and piss off everyone who hasnt read the books. Dreaming of Jon Snow putting a sword through his head.

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Lorch's entrance/exit was fantastic! Too bad this wonderful relationship will end soon. Or will it?

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The riot scene was intense. Dismembering the High Septon was a bit much, though; I think the disembowelment and near-rape of a young girl was quite enough, thank you very much.

That was how he died in the book as well; ripped apart by the mob.

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Favorite episode of the season. And a Bolton bastard was mentioned...yesssss!!!

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I'm pretty sure that there was nothing that indicated no visions. All the scene was meant to do was to get Dany to the HOTU in an exciting way. Once she gets there Pyat Pree can tell her that if she wants her Dragons she can do what he says. Then she drinks shade of the evening, has visions and gets the Dragons back...then dracarys. Dead warlocks.

Also, killing handmaids=not paying those actors next season which means money to pay other actors. No need to waste budget dollars on Irri, who plays no role in the book other than waiting on Dany, when you can use that on Edmure or Jojen or Meera or Ramsay.

Agreed. Irri is/was dead weight. I hope Doreah wasn't the culprit, as some are suggesting, however... she's so adorable, I'd like to keep her for a while longer.

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