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...devoid of meaningful dialog...

Really?! I won't address the rest of your post because I'm not sure I can disagree, but I feel like this episode has some of my favorite moments of dialogue as yet. Cersei got that fantastic line about "every time a Targ is born the gods flip a coin"; we got some great dialogue between Arya and Tywin (love those actors together); I thought Brienne's line about "who wants to die defending a Lannister?" was wonderful, especially when you consider the future of her storyline. And I thought Jaime was excellent this whole episode, from his "not a lot of fish left in you" jibe, to talking about squiring for Barristan Selmy, but most of all, I loved his speech about oaths. Gave me chills!

And, oh yeah, can't forget we got our first "You know nothing, Jon Snow"!

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  • And Jon is now a Wildling captive, without having to kill Halfhand. I don't like it. It makes his defection much less honourable. They should have substituted such a scene for one of those pointless Jon/Ygritte walking around scenes.

The Quorin thing is still happening, according to episode summaries.

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The chain could be interesting but I don't get the physics of a giant chain trapping 200 ships in a bay, I can suspend disbelief for dragons and zombies but giants chains border or farce, the Hell Fyre or whatever it's called is much more plausible

Look up Constantinople's chain :)

It's a real thing from Earth history, no less ridiculous but totally awesome!

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The Quorin thing is still happening, according to episode summaries.

which won't make any sense. so either quorin saves him so he can be recaptured an episode later, or quorin also gets captured and jon kills him without quorin effectively instructing him to do so, making jon a coward and a murderer. plus, what was jon going to say to quorin about ygitte if he caught back up with them? he's still supposed to have killed her, why was he trying to bring her back to them? either kill her or let her go.

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Really?! I won't address the rest of your post because I'm not sure I can disagree, but I feel like this episode has some of my favorite moments of dialogue as yet. Cersei got that fantastic line about "every time a Targ is born the gods flip a coin"; we got some great dialogue between Arya and Tywin (love those actors together); I thought Brienne's line about "who wants to die defending a Lannister?" was wonderful, especially when you consider the future of her storyline. And I thought Jaime was excellent this whole episode, from his "not a lot of fish left in you" jibe, to talking about squiring for Barristan Selmy, but most of all, I loved his speech about oaths. Gave me chills!

And, oh yeah, can't forget we got our first "You know nothing, Jon Snow"!

meh, irrelevant, the episode was completely irrelevant. HBO fooled me into watching it.

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This was my least favorite episode because it was devoid of meaningful dialog, completely stagnant as far as Clash of Kings, and filled with useless acts like killing of council and Jaime's escape. Nothing happened. One more like this and I can safely declare this show is starting to bore me.

I’m with ya, Bro, like so all the way there.

  • Indeed, I’m sure the Eleven will be overjoyed to learn that their magicked-up simulthroatslitting never happened.
  • By the same token, Jon-Boy Alton will surely be pleased with his own status quo ante, back before he got himself all murdalated by his false idol, that shining beacon of chivalry and charades.
  • Good thing we didn’t learn that Stannis isn’t just a few days from the city or anything like that.
  • Sansa gets to return to her immaculately blessèd state of not being bloody beddable and weddable by the Mad Kinglet any longer.
  • Our semperfaithful and consequently blueballian Jon-Boy Snow won’t have gotten hisself captured by the wicked Eskimawildlings. Whoot whoot!
  • To top it all off, since nothing happened, Bran and Rickon don’t have any effigial combustion corpsimummers for Maester Luwin to rip the last of his hairs out over, and nos petits princes can go prancing off in the fields that we know, ♩♬ tra-la-la-la-ing all the way home.

Sing and rejoice all ye prisoners in Boreville! Praise the Martin Above that NOTHING HAPPENED!

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which won't make any sense. so either quorin saves him so he can be recaptured an episode later, or quorin also gets captured and jon kills him without quorin effectively instructing him to do so, making jon a coward and a murderer.

They'll capture Quorin; he and Jon will talk, he'll instruct Jon to kill him, blah blah blah. All ends the same.

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They'll capture Quorin; he and Jon will talk, he'll instruct Jon to kill him, blah blah blah. All ends the same.

Exactly, in fact I think its quite a good change as it serves to demonstrate that the wildlings are actually strong beyond the Wall, they are still in the characterisation stage, where all we've seen is Craster and Osha remember, the audience needs to know on their land the Watch isn't going to have an easy ride, especially given next series' plot with Mance's invasion. In the same point the Watch needs to be emphasised as being decadent and outnumbered.

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I love the looks that Dagmer gives Theon!!! PRICELESS!!! And even Theon looked sick when dude uncovered the two kids at the end.

And I agree that Tywin is being very uncharacteristic, but I still like the scenes anyway. I also like Ygritte's character, but where the hell is Ghost!!!

Jaime-"Where did u find this beast" hilarious!!! I missed Jaquen H'gar, and Margery Tyrell. Wished they were in this episode.

Loved the Cersei, Sansa Scene. I thought after last weeks episode, this weeks was gonna kick ass, but it was alot slower than I thought it would be. Cannot wait for season 3. The third book was my favorite. Oh and I loved the awkward scene with Cersei and Tyrion. That was great!!!

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I LOVED this episode! I am not a book reader, so I don't give two shoots if it went off of the book. The ending was AMAZING!!! I'm so glad to hear it's not actually Bran and Rickon, though. They had me fooled for a second. I like Theon very much. I can't wait until he gets what he deserves. I look forward to seeing what will happen to him.

I love the Jon/Ygritte dynamic. The person who plays Ygritte is a fantastic actor.

The Tywin/Arya dynamic is also great! I'm not too sure, but I think Tywin knows of Arya's identity... at least, I hope he does. It will be very interesting to see how it plays out.

What of Syrio? I miss that man. Did he survive all those guards?

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Everything is great but the storie is going way different than the books, Jaime escaping, Jon not geting the order to go with the wildlings (what will make him a turncloack), Dany getting her dragons stolen, the game of thrones in quarth...

Some changes are good Jaime was the one that did it better than in the books, as we know the warfare is always the worse parts of the book (not that they are so bad) , they lack the cunning that George has in his political plots and games... in the war is always someone thinking "Ok whe have to do X thing and we won" If the POV got that X, he wins that simple.

Anyway I really liked Rob's explanation to keep Jaime close (not in Riverrum as in the books) so that Tywin couldn't make the castelars give Jaime..

Catelyn wont apear as dumb as she was in the book by realeasing Jaime, First Rob let him go away by his fingers, so he cant say it was "his prisioner".

Second if she left Jaime in Jail, he would be dead by the end of the night.. best to hope to get her girls back.

Arya / Tywin was a great change also.. Tywin will be missed and both are building up in these talks. Jon's and Daenery's plot are the ones in danger... and bran's as the Reeds will not go with him to the wall.

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Everything is great but the storie is going way different than the books, Jaime escaping, Jon not geting the order to go with the wildlings (what will make him a turncloack), Dany getting her dragons stolen, the game of thrones in quarth...

Some changes are good Jaime was the one that did it better than in the books, as we know the warfare is always the worse parts of the book (not that they are so bad) , they lack the cunning that George has in his political plots and games... in the war is always someone thinking "Ok whe have to do X thing and we won" If the POV got that X, he wins that simple.

Anyway I really liked Rob's explanation to keep Jaime close (not in Riverrum as in the books) so that Tywin couldn't make the castelars give Jaime..

Catelyn wont apear as dumb as she was in the book by realeasing Jaime, First Rob let him go away by his fingers, so he cant say it was "his prisioner".

Second if she left Jaime in Jail, he would be dead by the end of the night.. best to hope to get her girls back.

Arya / Tywin was a great change also.. Tywin will be missed and both are building up in these talks. Jon's and Daenery's plot are the ones in danger... and bran's as the Reeds will not go with him to the wall.

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Can someone explain the rationale beihnd the screenwriters decision to have Xaro repeatedly promising he does not have the dragons. Then, Ser Jorah goes to the masked woman who tells him the one who stole the dragons is with Deany. And it's Xaro. Why, why waste my time with that BS? If I wanted to watch soap operas I'd be unemployed sitting and waiting for the afternoon session of the Young and the Restless. The Fack!

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Can someone explain the rationale beihnd the screenwriters decision to have Xaro repeatedly promising he does not have the dragons. Then, Ser Jorah goes to the masked woman who tells him the one who stole the dragons is with Deany. And it's Xaro. Why, why waste my time with that BS? If I wanted to watch soap operas I'd be unemployed sitting and waiting for the afternoon session of the Young and the Restless. The Fack!

I didn’t know Xaro was really a warlock. That explains a lot!

Now I start to think that Quaithe is a warlock, too.

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Even though I am really happy that GOT was made into a series, I think that Benioff&Weiss have unfortunately bit off more than they could chew. Here's why:

So you would rather just had been one season?

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