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Joffrey is too old in the show for there to be a Regent over him. They pretend that Cersei is the Regent, and also pretend that his word outranks hers. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm telling you, they've upped the age of majority from 16 to 18, like in the modern world, to appease TV viewers who would freak over kids going to war, etc.. It's the only way things make sense.

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This is really nitpicky but one thing the books and show get wrong is the amount Sansa bleeds during her period. The average amount of blood over the course of an entire period is 1/8 of a cup. Do men seriously think we hemorrage once a month? This was also an issue in Carrie. Men should consult Judy Blume first when writing a puberty scene!

Yeah, AVERAGE person, not every person. Some women bleed more than others. And first period might be differents from later ones. My first lasted for 7 days and I bled a lot more than ever after that. So no, show didn't get that wrong at all as well as it didn't get it wrong for Sansa getting her moonblood later than usual. Not only do some girls menstruate late naturally but there can be other reasons, too. For example severe stress, phycal or psychological, can alter woman's menstrual cycle and it's quite obvious that Sansa is very anxious and stressed in her situation.

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That's not exactly going to help non book readers is it.

Anyone watching with a non reader who guessed the Bran Rickon ruse straight away?

Yep, my girlfriend immediately caught it. It was poorly executed, but I also think it's because of the medium. Whenever something happens offscreen, you know something's up. Plus the corpses looked superfake, like cheap strawmen I'd say

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I'm telling you, they've upped the age of majority from 16 to 18, like in the modern world, to appease TV viewers who would freak over kids going to war, etc.. It's the only way things make sense.

Then how can Joffrey’s word overrule his own regent’s? It cannot. See the problem? Joffrey could not have Cersei executed for striking him. It is both her right and duty to do so: her right as his regent, and her duty as his mother. The Mad Kinglet has been paying too much attention to the “where power resides” puzzle.

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I think Season 1 was a lot easier to adapt in comparison to Season 2 because most of the main characters were in King's landing except for Dany, Jon, and Bran. This made last season seem less choppy and easier to film. I kind of figured season 2 would suffer from this but I still think they've done really well. Excellent TV; certainly better than the crap they have on TV these days.

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Why are they making Cersei nicer? Once she gives people to Qyburn to experiment on, there's no loving her.

They made her and Cat nicer last year too than they were in the books. This year they are making Jaime more evil and Dany more bratty.

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I am utterly baffled by the suggestions that Tyrion's chain would be too expensive to do. This is a show that has very frequent shots of living, breathing dragons, city landscapes, 700ft walls.......this is A CHAIN. I can only hope that it's being kept secret (from viewers) so that it's emergence from the Blackwater is more of a surprise.

A Clash Of Kings is Tyrion's finest hour for me, and an ongoing source of frustration that his efforts are completely unrecognised despite the fact that he was a brilliant Hand. As it stands, when anyone in the future says his tenure was poor, the audience don't really have any evidence that it wasn't. A shame.

We've only seen A DRAGON twice this season in all of seven episodes, not counting the two-tails shot. I wouldn't call that frequent. We've seen CGI Dire Wolves more than we've seen CGI dragons who are even more expensive since they have to be designed out of thin air and have not even the slightest thing to "motion capture."

Having said that, I hope we see something of the chain....

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They made her and Cat nicer last year too than they were in the books. This year they are making Jaime more evil and Dany more bratty.

yup, this show is more and more like a daytime soap opera.

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They made her and Cat nicer last year too than they were in the books. This year they are making Jaime more evil and Dany more bratty.

They’re making Dany more bratty in the show than she was in the book? The show writers are good, I grant you, but they’re not that good. ; }

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There was far too much blood on Sansa's bed. I do not think she would survive bleeding like that for a week. I wonder what the actresses themselves thought about it.

It's a normal amount if you've been asleep for eight hours, and have normal to heavy periods. Actually there'd be a lot more if you have heavy periods.

Apologies to the men - but life is a bloody business.

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I have a feeling they're jamming the Finale full with a lot of stuff just from looking at the episode summaries.

It's looking like:

House of the Undying

Jon/Qhorin duel

Arya and Gendry (maybe Hot Pie too) escaping Harrenhal

Probably a poignant scene with Jaime and Brienne (maybe the duel and Jaime losing his hand?)

I'm feeling the first scene between Sansa and Dontos will be in there too

Possibly Theon being betrayed by Dagmer and/or Ramsay and Winterfell's demise.

Perhaps they'll show Bran and co. emerge from the crypts too.

They might keep Davo's fate up in the air.

Lastly, the popular theory is that the season ends with the three horn blasts at the Fist.

I guess they have to do it this way since Episode 9 is presumably devoted entirely to the Battle of Blackwater and King's Landing

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The North must have different standards then, otherwise Robb would require a Regent to rule in his place until he turned 16.

I don't think there are different standards in the North - Ned said when he was leaving for KL that Cat was to govern the North in his stead for a few years until Robb became of age, and when Cat and Robb met at Moat Cailin, she was the one who was legally in charge and Robb half expected her to order him to go back home. It's just that Robb was already leading the army, winning battles and only a few months shy of his 16th birthday and he had no older male relatives on the Stark side, so his bannermen decided to ignore the technicality and put him in charge as King in the North even if he still was theoretically not reached his majority.

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Since I'm fairly new to the board could someone tell me the amount of posts it takes to increase the rank in our info box, I'm already tired of being a commoner lol.

I believe it is 800 to reach "Council Member" and then you will be able to make a custom title. Don't worry, if you keep posting you'll be a freerider soon. :)

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Then how can Joffrey’s word overrule his own regent’s? It cannot. See the problem? Joffrey could not have Cersei executed for striking him. It is both her right and duty to do so: her right as his regent, and her duty as his mother. The Mad Kinglet has been paying too much attention to the “where power resides” puzzle.

Yeeeaah I'm pretty sure if Joffrey wanted his mother dead, he'd have his way easily. He may be a cruel twit but he's not about to go having his family executed even if they don't treat him with the utmost respect.

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Well, it is safe to say that this episode was almost as great as the last one.

Let's start in order of appearance.

Theon made a good impression in this episode, but not as good as in the last one. Somehow this was supposed to be the shocking scene with "Bran's" and Rickon's" corpses, but it didn't have a big impact on me. Of course I've read the books and for some pages I actually thought the boys are really dead. So maybe I'm being a bit subjective on that one. Alfie is still doing a great job, but he was more impressive in the previous episode imo.

Here comes one of the highlights for me - the Jon/Ygritte-moments. Those two are my new favourite couple - they are just hilarious. I've read lots of posts how those scenes are too extended. I would have to disagree on this one. Not only the scenes are setting the Jon/Ygritte relationship, but they also show the huge differences between the wildlings and the NW. It makes the viewers also wonder - "Did Ygritte do all those sexual hints intentionally, or she was just trying to get Jon into her trap?". Plus we get some funny jokes abot Jon's blue balls. There must be something for the ladies too ;) I had some concerns about the Jon/Qhorin-interaction, but the more I read this thread, the sooner those worries got away. So I'm waiting for the important scene in ep.10 (according to the previews). I also hope they have some good excuse (besides budget) about the missing Ghost.

The Tywin/Arya interactions were another favourite moment (have always been since they started). I have to say this again - I'm not a Tywin-fan, but Charles Dance is really outstanding! Perhaps this whole dialog with Arya could be out-of-character for the book-Tywin, but it fits the TV show-character for the best. We get some background story abot Aegon and his sisters, an awesome wide-shot of Harrenhall and the wondering what does Tywin suspects of Arya - what more does one want?

I have to admit - not much into the whole San/San-story (I've just started to read The Feast), so can't really say much about that. Sansa's scenes are heartbreaking as always. Shae defending her was a bit odd and kind of a riddle to me - hopefully the show gets somewhere with that. Can't complain about the Cersei-Sansa scene though.

The scenes with Robb were ok. It was necessary to set up him leaving the camp in this episode. I expect to see more of him and his "mysterious" lady in the next episodes. I got goosebumps by the look Jane and Roose shared.

Not sure what to say about the whole Qarth-storyline. On one side is good to hear Daenerys finally talking with some common sence in her conversation with Jorah. Finally thinking and not just threatening to burn everything. She finally realizes that the people in Westeros are not just waiting for her with the red carpet. On the other side this distrust hints to turn into some dangerous paranoia. Perhaps the show is better with the changes they made to make Daenerys' storyarc somehow interesting, but will we get to the HoU any soon, please?!

Jaime Lannister was the nice surpise in this episode. I disagree that his scenes were out of character for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. During his dialog with Cat I almost thought for a moment, that he will reveal the real reason why he killed Aerys. His honesty is overwhelming and liberating at the same time. He is an extremely interesting character in the books and I believe Nikolaj is going to carry out the complexity of his character during the next season too.

Sad that we saw too little of Tyrion, but really happy that we have a break from Littlefinger.

Can't wait for the next episode :)

Edited: spelling

Edited by Lyana

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" San - San "

Oh god , that's almost as strange as Sansa -Tyrion

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