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why am I spoiled brat, I could post 10 things from this episode that make no sense, will make no sense or are just plain cliched and/or boring

a. why would tywin trust Arya

b. Why will the wildings accept Jon

c. Why will the NW allow Jon back in

d. how can 3 cat sized dragons do anything

e. why doesnt dany just buy a ship cause she only has like 20 people in her khal, why does she need a fleet of ships

f. why is someone going to Valeria

g. did jon just turn his cloak without orders? He is a deserter, and should have his heads cut off

h. WHy does cersei hate her own son? and why will she care when tyrion kills him supposedly

i. Why did LF go to a Usurpers camp with the bones of ned stark? did he somehow know cat was going to be there? if so how could he have know that

j. how did Theon lose Bran and hodor osha's trail?

a. he made her eat the food to make sure it wasn't poisoned

b. he's probably either going to escape and receive his "orders" from Qhorin or Qhorin is alos captured and he receives his orders then. Either way I'm not worried because in Ep 10's teaser list it says Jon proves himself to Qhorin

c. how is this even a problem yet?

d. they are the size of dogs at the end of this book so not that big of a deal

e. I think Jorah says he'll look for "a" ship in ep 5

f. I think Quaithe said he's sailing past Valyria

g. no I doubt he has truned cloak yet

h. I don't think she hates him she's just scared of what he become

i. Varys and LF have informers everywhere

j. I think in the book they send the wolves out through a stream or river and then double back to Winterfell into the crypts.

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to what end, it is already a given she hates tyrion, what has she got to gain by gaming tyrion. he will never trust her, just last week she was saying how she wished he could love someone so he could lose that person

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Jaime other awful acts all had reasons. He tried to kill Bran to save Cersei and her children. He says as much. Our heroic soldiers do the same thing every day. They kill to protect their families. In a MUCH less direct way. Bran sees something that will kill Jaime and everyone he loves. No question, no trial, do not pass go.

Jaime killed Aerys because he was about to kill everyone in King's Landing.

This is what makes his face turn acceptable. Killing his cousin was for Jaime and Jaime alone. He said as much in their conversation.

It is a huge difference, and one I don't care for.

On another note, as usual, the exploding heads of the purists is almost as entertaining as the show.

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Why do people act like they know what Tywin was like behind closed doors. There is no Tywin POV. So, to sit here and say " this is totally not how he would act" is completely off base. All we know of Tywin is from other characters POV. The way he is treating Arya is how I imagined he would treat Cersei for years after I read her POV chapters.

And on the topic of Cersei, I'm pretty sure she isn't batshit crazy in the books till after Joffs death. Still a cold bitch, but not nuts. And her weeping for Joff being nuts isn't really too out of character.

Completely agree with this take on Tywin. The best view we have of this character in the books is from his children, and all of them have "issues" that would tend to cloud the picture.

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why am I spoiled brat, I could post 10 things from this episode that make no sense, will make no sense or are just plain cliched and/or boring

a. why would tywin trust Arya

b. Why will the wildings accept Jon

c. Why will the NW allow Jon back in

d. how can 3 cat sized dragons do anything

e. why doesnt dany just buy a ship cause she only has like 20 people in her khal, why does she need a fleet of ships

f. why is someone going to Valeria

g. did jon just turn his cloak without orders? He is a deserter, and should have his heads cut off

h. WHy does cersei hate her own son? and why will she care when tyrion kills him supposedly

i. Why did LF go to a Usurpers camp with the bones of ned stark? did he somehow know cat was going to be there? if so how could he have know that

j. how did Theon lose Bran and hodor osha's trail?

You bring up some interesting points, but a lot of the stuff you are complaining about occur in the books too. The NW allowed Jon back in the books even after he killed the Halfhand. Theon lost Bran and Osha's trail in the books as well. Did you write GRRM telling him what an outrage it was then? Also, keep in mind we don't know what will happen with Jon Snow yet. Let the story line develop before tearing it apart and maybe you won't "look so f***ing grim all the time"

EDIT: don't know the rules on language in the forum so I censored myself

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as usual, the exploding heads of the purists is almost as entertaining as the show.

It truly is. The purists I can, at least, sympathize with, however. It's the borderline inarticulate, short-sighted complainers I sometimes don't know whether to laugh at or choke lifeless, though.

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a. he made her eat the food to make sure it wasn't poisoned

b. he's probably either going to escape and receive his "orders" from Qhorin or Qhorin is alos captured and he receives his orders then. Either way I'm not worried because in Ep 10's teaser list it says Jon proves himself to Qhorin

c. how is this even a problem yet?

d. they are the size of dogs at the end of this book so not that big of a deal

e. I think Jorah says he'll look for "a" ship in ep 5

f. I think Quaithe said he's sailing past Valyria

g. no I doubt he has truned cloak yet

h. I don't think she hates him she's just scared of what he become

i. Varys and LF have informers everywhere

j. I think in the book they send the wolves out through a stream or river and then double back to Winterfell into the crypts.

a.he killed 20 of his own men, a little torture would have solved the problem rather simply

b. QH SHOULD doubt Jons loyalty after disappearing for a few days with a hot wilding that he probably should have killed

c. if his turncloaking is suspect so would his coming back

d. one dragon was supposed to have burned down the HotU, a couple of weeks ago all they could do was charbroil a Kabob

e. last week she wanted lots of ships, any capitan would gladly take a moneymaker like dragons for a ride

f. I thought she said TO, I will check

g. his brother dont know that and QH will have plenty of reason to suspect it, Y certainly would try to use that against JS with QH, she just laid the story out she would tell you think QH would believe JS in that situation

h. which goes completely against Cersei who two scenes earlier was telling Sansa about loving your children

i. so renly is going to let the Master of coins for the lannister king meet with the mother of another usurper king, illogical

j. ok in retrospect I can see how this works, theon stopped following cause he had the alternatives to use, but still doesnt make sense how they lost the trail when the kids were in the village

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You bring up some interesting points, but a lot of the stuff you are complaining about occur in the books too. The NW allowed Jon back in the books even after he killed the Halfhand. Theon lost Bran and Osha's trail in the books as well. Did you write GRRM telling him what an outrage it was then? Also, keep in mind we don't know what will happen with Jon Snow yet. Let the story line develop before tearing it apart and maybe you won't "look so f***ing grim all the time"

EDIT: don't know the rules on language in the forum so I censored myself

grimi? I dont think that word means what you think it means

:drunk:

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Jaime other awful acts all had reasons. He tried to kill Bran to save Cersei and her children. He says as much. Our heroic soldiers do the same thing every day. They kill to protect their families. In a MUCH less direct way. Bran sees something that will kill Jaime and everyone he loves. No question, no trial, do not pass go.

Jaime killed Aerys because he was about to kill everyone in King's Landing.

This is what makes his face turn acceptable. Killing his cousin was for Jaime and Jaime alone. He said as much in their conversation.

It is a huge difference, and one I don't care for.

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Book Jaime didn't care about Cersei's kids, just her. What about his "chastisement" of Ned by killing Jory and the other Northmen? Who did that serve?

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hmmm lets see Lord Tywin, some infiltrator got into your inner sanctum and killed a trusted Lt with a poison dart

your cupbearer was taken out of a group of prisoners, is a lying overeducated northern noble child who by your own accounts is courageous

I know lets hang 20 of our own menand not not at the elephant giving us mutton

Soup. It's soup she's giving them.

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I think Cersei is gaming Tyrion. She is being insincere, which shouldn't be a surprise. It seems to have worked given Tyrion's reaction at the end of the scene. Cersei is very clever; it's interesting how this scene is juxtaposed with Tywin's comparison of Arya to her.

Ooh, I like this line of thinking. And lol at that are they going to hug of something moments. Some nonreaders think Tyrion was trying to get in her bed LOL!

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last week she wanted lots of ships, any capitan would gladly take a moneymaker like dragons for a ride

You do get that reckless fire-breathing animals are a bad idea on a wooden ship with canvas sails, right? *MANY* captains turned her down in the book.

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Loved it. Things picking up for the climax!

Book purists need to understand this isnt the books. It the show. Oddly all the same posters who teeth gnash and whine every week in these threads keep watching. You'd think if it bothered them so much they stop.

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For those of you who are complaining that Tywin is ordering his own men to be killed, has it occurred to you that the corpses we saw might just be prisoners like Jaqen who simply wear Lannister armor and serve the war effort instead of wasting away in a prison cell? We know Tywin wanted to put these prisoners to good use, but I honestly do not think Tywin hesitates in killing these prisoners-turned-soldiers in hopes of finding the assassin. They were never Lannister men to begin with.

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I don't care about most of the changes, as I know the show is a different character from the books. I think Dany, Arya and Tywin, and Jaime changes work and are pretty entertaining but WTF are they doing with Jon? Rose Leslie is great as Ygritte but the scenes are just jarring. The first of the changes that have really taken me aback for how wrong they feel, especially the ending.

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grimi? I dont think that word means what you think it means

:drunk:

from dictionary.com

Grim: stern and admitting of no appeasement or compromise

I feel like that's fairly accurate to your overall attitude about the show, but in all fairness I was trying to force in a quote, so perhaps the word isn't a perfect match. Either way, you do have some good observations, I'll give you that, but the good observations are offset by your many bad observations such as.

"Why will the NW allow Jon back in" - this is something that happens in season 3 of the book, and the whole Jon getting let back in is a pretty major point of conflict. I don't really understand why you're complaining about this because in the books he kills the Halfhand and they still let him back in.

"how can 3 cat sized dragons do anything" - the motivation in taking the dragons was to get Dany to come to the house of the undying. I sincerely doubt they intended to use the dragons to wage war on their enemies.

"why doesnt dany just buy a ship cause she only has like 20 people in her khal, why does she need a fleet of ships" - you are assuming Dany has money to buy a ship. Ships are very expensive, and although Dany's host is generous to her, she has essentially zero personal wealth. Plus, how is she going to invade Westeros with 20 people and "3 cat sized dragons"

"WHy does cersei hate her own son? and why will she care when tyrion kills him supposedly" - there is a difference between grief and hate. I think Cersei is sad because of what her son has become, but that doesn't mean she does not love him.

"how did Theon lose Bran and hodor osha's trail?" - it's explained in the books. Sure it would have been nice if the show had a narrator that could explain these details for the viewers, but this is a hit show on HBO, not an animated companion series to the books.

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Book purists need to understand this isnt the books. It the show. Oddly all the same posters who teeth gnash and whine every week in these threads keep watching. You'd think if it bothered them so much they stop.

Ah yes, but masochists do SO enjoy suffering an hour of something they don't like, so that they can spend days and weeks being miserable, hurt and angry! And then they go through it all again a week later ... Obviously much nicer than simply finding the channel button or the Off switch.

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