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Two things:

Catelyn and Jaime - losing her husband and fearing for two daughters is enough to trade Jaime. Trust me. Bran and Rickon "dying" is piling on.

Talisa: It seems to me that they replaced Jeyne for her so they could get in a little backgroun on the slave cities. Not a bad idea.

Jaqen isnt done with Arya - she hasnt taken his name back

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I'm not a purist, but Cat freeing Jamie before she finds out about Bran and Rickon bugs the hell out of me. Honestly I'm just trying to pretend it didn't happen.

But as explained, it makes perfect sense in the context of the TV show. Deal with it on those terms.

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Cause otherwise it isn’t believable that Robb would get himself hitched to somebody he’s fighting against. The Westerlings are Lannister bannerman, after all. So the showrunners needed to find a way to make it believable. If he doesn’t think of her as an enemy, then maybe he can toss her a bone without fearing it’ll get nipped off by filed-down teeth.

Westerlings were Lannister bannermen which is why the Mom conspired with Tywin once the marriage happened. But Robb TOOK the crag, so they were his. And Jeyne never acted as if her romnce with Robb was anything but the real thing.

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One hour that he felt was disjointed and D&B are losing control of the story. He's usually better than that.

Agree. He's been a very enthusiastic reviewer thus far....

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I'm not a purist, but Cat freeing Jamie before she finds out about Bran and Rickon bugs the hell out of me. Honestly I'm just trying to pretend it didn't happen.

Is there a huge difference between B & R being dead, and B & R being held captive in a castle that's about to be under siege? Either way Cat's a mess and desperate to protect her kids any way that she possibly can. Since Jamie looked like he wasn't long for this world, she acted the only way she knew how.

It must be SO difficult to fit this book into 10 hours. Why can't people realize that and brush off the small things? Either way Jamie and Brienne are off on their adventure. Who cares about the tiny details of how it came about?

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Did anyone else note the slip up the writers had in this episode?

Karstark - "I would carve out my heart and offer it to The Father if he would let my sons wake from their graves".

Karstark is a man of the North! A worshiper of the Weirwoods.

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Can we stop bitching about Robb and Talisa's scenes (I thoroughly enjoyed them tonight and completely understand the need to show Robb falling in love - esp. since they aged him up) and get to the matter at hand?

And we now have proof Joffrey was aged-up considerably as well. He's 17 in the show as opposed to 12-13 (I said he was 16-17 and people thought I was nuts).

The hottest chick on the show got NEKKID this week. Seriously. Oona is gorgeous. I may be girl-crushing. :drool:

You can't have her. She's mine. ;)

What's with the condescension? Your explanation doesn't exactly hold water. Jaime killed Karstark's son- in the book and in the show- long before Cat let him loose. Karstark could have murdered him long before. Karstark was in Riverrun in the book while Jaime was prisoner, after the Whispering Woods, yet didn't kill him. He didn't, because he was obeying Robb. In the book, Karstark goes psycho after Cat releases Lannister. Cat's rationale for releasing Jaime has nothing to with Karstark, and there's no absolute logic dictating that but for Cat's releasing him, he would have undoubtedly killed Jaime. It's a stretch.

My apologies for the condescension, but this has been argued to death by others, and my frustration leaked-into my post. Mea culpa. As for the argument, Karstark was gone with Robb when he marched, not in the camp, getting everybody drunk and riled-up to kill Jaime.

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Okay, for everyone complaining about Robb and Jeyne let's set a few things straight. Last episode Robb was heading to the Crag to broker a surrender, Catelyn releases Jaime after he killed Torrhen Karstark. Fast forward to this episode, we see Robb, Jeyne and a group of soldiers traveling somewhere, outriders are sent to bring Robb back to his camp because the Kingslayer is released, Robb goes to his camp, yells at Catelyn, bones Jeyne, realizes he is in love. My guess is that Robb has yet to go to the Crag and Tarlisa will still reveal herself as Jeyne Westerling before going to the Crag to broker a surrender/marriage.

Ummmm - how the heck would Jeyne know anything about Volantis and slave cities. It didnt seem to be all common knowledge (eg tattoos) since Tyrion appears to be learning about it as he goes along in ADWD.

I'm gonna say they made a GREAT decision by replacing Jeyne since it doesnt take away from the rationale for the Red Wedding AND it gives them a chance to introduce the slave cities to us before dany gets there and stirs things up.

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Did anyone else note the slip up the writers had in this episode?

Karstark - "I would carve out my heart and offer it to The Father if he would let my sons wake from their graves".

Karstark is a man of the North! A worshiper of the Weirwoods.

Not a mistake at all, as I see it. He's saying he'd worship even some foreign phony god if only that'd get his sons back.

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Agree. He's been a very enthusiastic reviewer thus far....

I actually hadn't read Hitfix before. I love that there is an explicit ban on book purists posting in the comment thread LOL.

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I actually hadn't read Hitfix before. I love that there is an explicity ban on book purists posting in the comment thread LOL.

It's a spoiler thing for people who haven't read the books. His earlier reviews had people posting things like. "Wow Joffrey is a jerk...can't wait until he dies in book 3!!!"

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Ummmm - how the heck would Jeyne know anything about Volantis and slave cities. It didnt seem to be all common knowledge (eg tattoos) since Tyrion appears to be learning about it as he goes along in ADWD. I'm gonna say they made a GREAT decision by replacing Jeyne since it doesnt take away from the rationale for the Red Wedding AND it gives them a chance to introduce the slave cities to us before dany gets there and stirs things up.
Well it takes away the fact that Jeyne's mum schemed with Tywin and that ultimately led to the collaboration between Walder and Tywin.

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Ha, I remember when they first intro Talisa arguing that one of the reasons they were doing it is to get an exposition tool about Essos. Not a bad idea IMO,

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@ DVD ROTS re the preview of the Battle of the Blackwater, Yes! Yes!

Last week’s episode was the one I got kinda disgusted with – too “soap-operay”, but liked this one a lot. As per usual, it flew by and I could not believe it was over already when they started showing the credits. Except I still claim the soap-opera dub for Jeyne W./Talisha, whoever - she was such a strong character before this episode, but that was a pitifully weak tale she told about her brother...Corn!

  • Loved the tender moment Asha/Yara had with Theon about when he smiled at her as an infant, however brief; but also liked her giving him hell about the [supposed] killing/taring of Bran and Rickon. Both of these scenes make me like her a lot, which I never did in the books.
  • I do hate to see the better part of Quorin Half-Hand’s scenes/role taken away. One of my very favorite characters, and HBO watchers will never know/appreciate him a fraction of what he’s due
  • So glad we've got M. Luwin safely down in the caverns
  • So glad Varys is back
  • Loved the speech Robb gave to his mom
  • Love that the Brienne/Jaime scenes have started
  • Looks like we’ll be out of Quarth soon – thank the seven! Though I am anxious to revisit what she sees in the House of the Undying – at that point in the book, I don’t think I knew enough to ‘get’ even a tenth of it.
  • Can't wait for the SanSan scene, maybe next week?
  • Haven't been reading articles about the episodes -- guess we won't see the Red Wedding until Season 3?

Loved reading all the other posts - what a great group of fans!

:cheers:

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Westerlings were Lannister bannermen which is why the Mom conspired with Tywin once the marriage happened. But Robb TOOK the crag, so they were his. And Jeyne never acted as if her romnce with Robb was anything but the real thing.

Robb conquered their castle. It was their choice to turn their cloaks and become his subjects, rather than his prisoners.

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It's a spoiler thing for people who haven't read the books. His earlier reviews had people posting things like. "Wow Joffrey is a jerk...can't wait until he dies in book 3!!!"
It's a spoiler thing for people who haven't read the books. His earlier reviews had people posting things like. "Wow Joffrey is a jerk...can't wait until he dies in book 3!!!"

I get there, but there is a clear undercurrent (practically an undertow) of "shut up about the books because I don't care".

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Translated: I didn't watch it, yet have an opinion anyway.

Translated: I watched a half an hour of it, thought it boring, turned it off, and my opinion is that it was boring and somewhat disjointed for the half an hour I did watch, which was bad. :shocked:

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