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Let’s just shoot the arrow, light the fleet on fire, storm the castle and just get right to it. This was the most intense episode of the series and … and we all knew how it was going to end… BEAT THAT!

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Maybe not the best episode; maybe not the tightest episode. But definitely the most gripping episode.

I've been trying to tell you, Rockroi, how much I've enjoyed your summaries, but Error 500 and 503 keep wiping me out, lol! Another excellent summary!

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I wasn't sure if she said "I was four" or "I was a fool", but assuming the former, I think it's because Tyrion does not look 8 year younger than Cersei and Jaime...

It sounded like she said four too.

I liked the bit about Tywin believing in the Gods but not trusting them.

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Error 500 and 503 keep wiping me out, lol! Another excellent summary!

Site must be overloaded..got a bunch of those my own self.

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Oh, George, you cheeky bastard.

Cersei to Shae: (paraphrased) That must be one heck of story, Tell me about your MYSTERIOUS HISTORY, Shae.

Shae: When I was 13...(LANCEL COMES RUNNING IN KNOCKING EVERYTHING OVER)

Me: Giggling. :lol:

That was a funny scene.

I expected Shae to say "This one time, Your Grace, at band camp..."

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"There may have been that many pages in between, but when they "died" I flipped thru the chapters til I saw Bran had another chapter.î•

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Didn't want to admit it but I did the exact same thing, was happy that SoS was just numbered chapters because I have no self control

I did the same thing. I flipped ahead and saw another Bran chapter.

But which book did you read? Your ASOS book had numbered chapters instead of names? What?

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She said she was 4 when her Mom died. I thought she was 7.

She definitely said 4. In the books she and Jaime are 9 years older, so Tyrion has been aged up, which seems like more rehab is going to be done to Cersei's character. The Red Viper tells Tyrion about how Cersei twisted baby Tyrion's penis: certainly a 4 year old won't be doing that. I hope. :ack:

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Speaking of Shae is she really a "Lorath commoner"? I always got the impression her family may have been of noble blood. Hence her not wanting to talk about her parents and not knowing how to serve someone else.

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OK, cool. Just wanted to make sure you knew what was up.

Does anyone else feel like the actor playing Loras evolved dramatically from S1 to S2? It's almost like it's a different person (and i'll be really embarrassed if someone comes in right now with "duh, you fucking idiot. they recast him.").

He seemed like such an androgen in S1 and not nearly as much here (not just tonight's episode, but the middle episodes too).

He is the same actor. But I agree he has undergone a drastic, and much improved change I am thankful for. He looked so pathetic in S1, but S2 he is actually....manly. Must be the change in attitude.

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He is the same actor. But I agree he has undergone a drastic, and much improved change I am thankful for. He looked so pathetic in S1, but S2 he is actually....manly. Must be the change in attitude.

That's what I thought.

And there's nothing wrong with him being an Androgen or anything, but he was pretty unconvincing as a guy who could unseat The Mountain, tricks and all, in the first season. This season I believed it.

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Sounded like Cersei definitely said "fool" to me.....not "four."

'Fool' would make sense as well, since that would tie her comments together from beginning to end. At the start she called Sansa a fool for believing the gods were merciful, and Cersei went through that whole story to explain that she was once like Sansa, a fool, and thought that praying could bring her mother back. Plus, GRRM wrote this episode guys, this is definitely something he would do. That's you know...good writing.

Cersei definitly said 'fool' not 'four.'

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Awesome post snipped, not by choice, but, rather for brevity.

I think Rockroi is my new hero!

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Sorry, but can someone please explain the "chain" sequence that was left out? I've all the books (I swear) but I read the battle of the blackwater somewhat hastily, anxious to see what would happen, and don't recall exactly what a chain had to do with the battle. A literal metal chain? A chain of ships? What was it?

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Speaking of the Red Viper....will we get that character near the end of S3 or the beginning of S4?

Probably S3 as IIRC, Oberyn showed up in ASOS towards the middle of the book.

That's what I thought.

And there's nothing wrong with him being an Androgen or anything, but he was pretty unconvincing as a guy who could unseat The Mountain, tricks and all, in the first season. This season I believed it.

Yes, I agree. In the book he is still described on several occasions as 'slender as a reed' but he should still have some sort of manly or musculature stature. Slender doesn't mean no muscle. The other problem was he was described many times as one of the most beautiful men in Westeros. Obviously that's a tall order for any male actor, but maybe it was his hair in S1, maybe he looked too boyish, maybe something else, but he looks more handsome/like a man in S2, this coming from a straight guy.

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Sorry, but can someone please explain the "chain" sequence that was left out? I've all the books (I swear) but I read the battle of the blackwater somewhat hastily, anxious to see what would happen, and don't recall exactly what a chain had to do with the battle. A literal metal chain? A chain of ships? What was it?

Earlier in the book Tyrion ordered all the blacksmiths in King's Landing to stop making armor/weapons (orders from Cersei) and start making big links for a chain. It was a mystery until the battle, where we found out that after all of Stannis' fleet (save Sallador Sahn) entered the Blackwater River, Bronn and others raised a chain across the mouth of the river behind them, so no ships could escape. It turned into a literal flaming trap.

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This was just such an epic brilliant episode which surpassed my expectations!! Cheers hbo you did a beautiful job!!! And george of course wrote pure gold! The actors delivered as we all knew they would and it was just beyond greatnes x) loved cersei drunk with sansa and tommen and lancel. Loved tyrion and sandor/bronn and sansa/joff's sword, stannis, davos everyone was brilliant. Even shae and pod! But as a devoted lover of san/san I was amazed by rory's work tonight and of sophie's. Every scene they were in was fantastoc! The hound even told joff what he deserbed and got away with it! Yes!! And now about the san/san moment: sandor's face as he wants to make sansa see that men are bad was just like the sandor in the books in that scene on the rooftop before the battle. And sansa's face as she asks him if he won't harm her was making me cry (if she had just cupped his cheek then I would forgive a little the lack of song and white cloak abscence) but I liked how they put the doll ned gave her in the scene for 2 reasons. Ned wanted to marry sansa to someone who was brave and gentle and strong and sandor is all those things.. And also cause so far ned was I guess to sansa the main guy in her heart or something, and she had felt safe with her dad, but to see her sort of leaving the doll behind to follow sandor just hints at my hopefuly heart that this scenario will repeat itself in later books were alayne stone or sansa as a queen in the north sort of thing does not know who to trust only to have sandor coming back and her recalling he will never hurt her <3 I have to watch it again and write this from somewhere that's not my phone though

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Do we know if "The Rains of Castamere" will be on the soundtrack? I was so surprised to hear them sing it. It was great.

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Sorry, but can someone please explain the "chain" sequence that was left out? I've all the books (I swear) but I read the battle of the blackwater somewhat hastily, anxious to see what would happen, and don't recall exactly what a chain had to do with the battle. A literal metal chain? A chain of ships? What was it?

Tyrion had commissioned all the blacksmiths in KL to forge great chain links. He then hid the chain beneath the mouth of the Blackwater, with two large towers on either side. Once most of Stannis ships were past the chain, it was raised to keep them from escaping into the bay when the wildfire was let loose. In the books it wasn't a ship loaded with wildfire, the royal fleet was still there and fighting (to lure Stannis' fleet in), and then pots of wildfire were thrown from the battlements. The chain was instrumental in keeping any ships (but a few) from escaping

EDIT: Ckal beat me to it.

Edited by Tsavong Lah

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