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Can someone tell me what the hell the Bronn/The Hound scene amounted to? Pretty dull and pointless if you ask me. Yeah, they're both interesting characters, but their meeting just fell flat.

I think it was supposed to show that Joffrey wanted to get rid of Tyrion and his men. It was meant to explain why Mandon Moore tryed to kill Tyrion during the fighting at the Blackwater.

And I also think it was meant to present both characters as great warriors.

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Ha

Haha. I pointed out how you first said Sansa knew Tyrion was manipulating her and thus condemned him to death in battle, and you then said she couldn't know what he was thinking. That's called a self-contradiction. The other things attributed to me are your invention. Now, and this is the piece de resitance, you admit that BlueQueen's theory is an interesting possibility, again contradicting yourself. Why should I get involved in your self-argument?

Quoting myself:

"He could very well just pretend to be nice to her just like Cersei did. It's only normal to take a minimum amount of risks by trusting almost nobody when you're in the enemy's nest."

"You do that realise that ,kind or not, he's still her family's enemy ? Robb's enemy should the North's forces arrive at King's Landing gate. Is it surprising that she would wish for his death then? Tyrion' loyalty goes to the Lannisters, to Joffrey , even if he hates him."

"And she knows that". about Tyrion's reasons having to do with Jaime, go check yourself.

So no , I didn't say: "Sansa knew Tyrion was manipulating her and thus condemned him to death in battle, and you then said she couldn't know what he was thinking.". No self contradiction her, you just can't read correctly or don't bother trying.

you admit that BlueQueen's theory is an interesting possibility, again contradicting yourself.

Did I say I believed it? I said it was interesting. Maybe you need a dictionary too. I hadn't thought of it, and obviously neither had you, and I may watch the scene again and be more careful of the actors' attitude to see if it's so.

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I think it was supposed to show that Joffrey wanted to get rid of Tyrion and his men. It was meant to explain why Mandon Moore tryed to kill Tyrion during the fighting at the Blackwater.

And I also think it was meant to present both characters as great warriors.

This is exactly what it was. Listen to the way The Hound was talking to Bronn about killing him, as if it was premeditated. It was clear he walked into that bar with every intention of taking him out.

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you admit that BlueQueen's theory is an interesting possibility, again contradicting yourself.

Did I say I believed it? I said it was interesting. Maybe you need a dictionary too. I hadn't thought of it, and obviously neither had you, and I may watch the scene again and be more careful of the actors' attitude to see if it's so.

Her theory is entirely in keeping with my comment that it made no sense for Sansa to give the same wish to Tyrion as to Joffrey and it directly contradicts your pretzel logic.

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Again, what's with the sympathetic Cersei. She was a friggin B***H in the book, not a sympathetic, fond mother.

She's still a b***h, but she's a human b***h, non a one-dimensional harpy. IMO, one of Martin's biggest failures in the books is the botch he made of Cersei. Lena Headey and the writers have rectified that in the series. an if you think she's too nice, would you want her as a mother-in-law?

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Her theory is entirely in keeping with my comment that it made no sense for Sansa to give the same wish to Tyrion as to Joffrey and it directly contradicts your pretzel logic.

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Read the post again.Or get a damn dictionary and look for "interesting" and "possibility".

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Read the post again.Or get a damn dictionary and look for "interesting" and "possibility".

"Interesting possibity = no possibility of being true, since it contradicts my phoney baloney logic."

I do believe.

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The people who have been arguing in circles about Sansa for hours need to take their discussion to a separate thread. You're off topic.

You're right. I'll stop here.

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Just saw it -- getting ready to rewatch it... absolutely awesome!

Seriously, I can't think of a single critique (rare!) -- too bad GRRM doesn't write 'em all cuz that was just... well... awesome :-)!!!

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Its hard to point to the best parts of the last episode, there were so many.

The acting was great, the dialogue, etc.

Is this the last of the Hound? He was one of my favorite characters. The scene with Sansa was a bit of a let down. The series seemed to be hinting at something between them, i'm not sure in what form exactly, but for her to decline his offer to escort her home was disappointing.

I haven't read the books, i don't know what is in store for Sensa, but I assume she would like to get the hell out of Kings Landing and head back home finally, that might have been her only chance to.

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That last scene with Cersei and Tommen was my favorite part of that episode. Such good television.

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makes me wonder now, assuming Bronn gets knighted, what's his sigil going to be if not a flaming chain? a flaming arrow or bow, or combination of the two mayhaps?

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is it weird that I'm currently watching this epsiode for the 4th time? My girlfriend just walked into the living room, looked at the tv, and gave me a look like shes worried about me. Also she heard me humming "rains of castamere" in grocery store today and rolled her eyes... I'm not a fan boy, but i guess now.. i kind of am?

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Quick question: towards at the end when the Lannister men turn over the boat on fire, right before Tyrion curses when more Stannis's men with Loras arrive, what are they shouting ? "Tywinn ! Tywinn!" or something else ?

Halfman!Halfman!Halfman!

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Quoting myself:

"He could very well just pretend to be nice to her just like Cersei did. It's only normal to take a minimum amount of risks by trusting almost nobody when you're in the enemy's nest."

"You do that realise that ,kind or not, he's still her family's enemy ? Robb's enemy should the North's forces arrive at King's Landing gate. Is it surprising that she would wish for his death then? Tyrion' loyalty goes to the Lannisters, to Joffrey , even if he hates him."

"And she knows that". about Tyrion's reasons having to do with Jaime, go check yourself.

So no , I didn't say: "Sansa knew Tyrion was manipulating her and thus condemned him to death in battle, and you then said she couldn't know what he was thinking.". No self contradiction her, you just can't read correctly or don't bother trying.

you admit that BlueQueen's theory is an interesting possibility, again contradicting yourself.

Did I say I believed it? I said it was interesting. Maybe you need a dictionary too. I hadn't thought of it, and obviously neither had you, and I may watch the scene again and be more careful of the actors' attitude to see if it's so.

Ithink you are both overlooking the fact that Sansa believes the songs are reality. Her perfect knight would be Ser Loras and Tyrion in her mind is a monster.

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