A Thread for Small Questions XVII

[Jolene Brown]

Another question: Is there info about whether The Winds of Winter will start right where Dance of the Dragons left off, or possibly double back and pick up some of the storylines left in limbo at the end of AFFC (Jaime/Brienne, Littlefinger/Sansa, Sam in the Citadel I think)?

[Teal'c]

When George read from the first Victarion chapter in Toronto, he stated that this was taking place immediately where ADWD left off;

maybe someone has a link for us.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

Another question: Is there info about whether The Winds of Winter will start right where Dance of the Dragons left off, or possibly double back and pick up some of the storylines left in limbo at the end of AFFC (Jaime/Brienne, Littlefinger/Sansa, Sam in the Citadel I think)?

We know that the Stannis/Theon arc at least doubles back some, based on the Gift chapter. I don't see why that couldn't also be the case for a couple of other arcs.

[GreyDeLeon]

"“No,” the old man said. “It must be you. Tell them. The prophecy... my brother’s dream... Lady

Melisandre has misread the signs. Stannis... Stannis has some of the dragon blood in him, yes.

His brothers did as well." pg. 412 aFfC

Anyone know what Dream Maester Aemon was referring to? And which brother?

I'm guessing Aegon is the brother.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

"“No,” the old man said. “It must be you. Tell them. The prophecy... my brother’s dream... Lady Melisandre has misread the signs. Stannis... Stannis has some of the dragon blood in him, yes. His brothers did as well." pg. 412 aFfC Anyone know what Dream Maester Aemon was referring to? And which brother? I'm guessing Aegon is the brother.

Probably Aegon, yeah. The Ghost of High Heart said that the Prince That Was Promise would come from Aerys and Rhaella's line, so that could be the "dream" in question.

[jon rr stark]

Where are Ned's bones?

[LuisDantas]

"“No,” the old man said. “It must be you. Tell them. The prophecy... my brother’s dream... Lady Melisandre has misread the signs. Stannis... Stannis has some of the dragon blood in him, yes. His brothers did as well." pg. 412 aFfC Anyone know what Dream Maester Aemon was referring to? And which brother? I'm guessing Aegon is the brother.

It might be Aegon V, I suppose.

But we know that their brother Daeron had remarkably accurate, if highly symbolic, prophetic dreams not unlike Jojen Reed. The way I read this passage, Aemon is making a reference to a prophetic dream involving Lightbringer in some way.

[jon rr stark]

"“No,” the old man said. “It must be you. Tell them. The prophecy... my brother’s dream... Lady Melisandre has misread the signs. Stannis... Stannis has some of the dragon blood in him, yes. His brothers did as well." pg. 412 aFfC Anyone know what Dream Maester Aemon was referring to? And which brother? I'm guessing Aegon is the brother.

From the dunk and egg novellas its Daeron who had remarkablely accurate prophetic dreams. However like any of them the context was often unknown hence open to inaccurate interpretation. Im guessing this was at the heart of what happened at summerhall, as the Targs definitly knew about AA and the prophecy

[Fantôme]

I don't if it has already been asked but a discussion about Jaime in the show forum had me wondering about kinslaying. I don't remember anyone but the Karstark themselves calling a Stark killing a Karstark kinslaying.So Is it kinslaying or is it just a pretext of the Karstarks ? Generally speaking , the known kinslayers have killed a really close relative like Tyrion killing his father or Bloodraven killing a half-brother and "half-nephews". So, does anyone know how closely related killer and victim have to be for it to be called kinslaying?

[Lykos]

@Fantôme: I think in Robb´s case it´s just a pretext of the Karstarks, since it wasn´t manslaughter at all but a sentence, carried out by the King over one of his subjects, as it was tradition in the North. The Bloodraven example is more interesting, these were killings during war, but the Blackfyre loyalists deemed them dishonourable or lamented the "stupid honour" of Daemon to see that Corbray wasn´t trampled.

Daemon dismounted to see that his fallen foe was not trampled, and commanded Redtusk to carry him back to the maesters in the rear. And there was his mortal error, for the Raven’s Teeth had gained the top of Weeping Ridge, and Bloodraven saw his half brother’s royal standard three hundred yards away, and Daemon and his sons beneath it. He slew Aegon first, the elder of the twins, for he knew that Daemon would never leave the boy whilst warmth lingered in his body,

though white shafts fell like rain. Nor did he, though seven arrows pierced him, driven as much by sorcery as by Bloodraven’s bow. Young Aemon took up Blackfyre when the blade slipped from his dying father’s fingers, so Bloodraven slew him, too, the younger of the twins.

[Blisscraft]

Where are Ned's bones?

Ned's bones are on the road to Winterfell.

[Fantôme]

@Fantôme: I think in Robb´s case it´s just a pretext of the Karstarks, since it wasn´t manslaughter at all but a sentence, carried out by the King over one of his subjects, as it was tradition in the North. The Bloodraven example is more interesting, these were killings during war, but the Blackfyre loyalists deemed them dishonourable or lamented the "stupid honour" of Daemon to see that Corbray wasn´t trampled.

Daemon dismounted to see that his fallen foe was not trampled, and commanded Redtusk to carry him back to the maesters in the rear. And there was his mortal error, for the Raven’s Teeth had gained the top of Weeping Ridge, and Bloodraven saw his half brother’s royal standard three hundred yards away, and Daemon and his sons beneath it. He slew Aegon first, the elder of the twins, for he knew that Daemon would never leave the boy whilst warmth lingered in his body, though white shafts fell like rain. Nor did he, though seven arrows pierced him, driven as much by sorcery as by Bloodraven’s bow. Young Aemon took up Blackfyre when the blade slipped from his dying father’s fingers, so Bloodraven slew him, too, the younger of the twins.

About the Karstark , in Dance one of them whose name I forgot also warns Jon than killing him would be kinslaying because "Stark and Karstark are one blood" but I suppose it's probably a pretext too or just the Karstarks considering they're kin with the Starks when nobody else does.

About Bloodraven,so the only ones calling him kinslayer were on the enemy side?

I did a quick research in the asoiaf e books and kinslaying is used for sons killing fathers , fathers killing sons , brothers killing brothers and Tyrion killing Joffrey but that's all except for the Karstarks' rambling. I may have missed another use in Dunk&Egg.

Btw thanks for the answer.

[Lykos]

@Fantôme: I think that was Cregan Karstark, who wanted to marry his cousin Allys, and was thrown into the ice cells by Jon. In my opinion it was just the verbal version of throwing feces. And I can´t recall anyone calling Bloodraven Kinslayer (though the way BR is vilified, I wouldn´t be surprised if he was), but I think the killing of Daemon is a very interesting question of morality.

[jon rr stark]

Ned's bones are on the road to Winterfell.

Yes but has there been any indication anywhere how far they got?

[Lykos]

@jon rr stark: This is what lady Dustin tells Theon in the crypts of Winterfell.

Should those bones ever emerge from the swamps, they will get no farther than Barrowton.

[King Doug]

Yes but has there been any indication anywhere how far they got?

No we don't know exactly where they are. In ADwD we learn that Lady Dustin has plans for his bones, but they are somewhere in the neck. I know it is a popular place for anything lost to end up, but wouldn't be surprised if Howland Reed was keeping them safe at Greywater Watch while him, Galbart Glover, and Maege Mormont wait for the right time to strike.

[jon rr stark]

ok makes sense

[bloodymime]

Not sure if this should have been asked in the references and homages topic, but it is a question so here it is. I was thinking about Brienne telling one of the men that came to marry her that he'd have to beat her on the field for her to obey him and it reminded me of a mythology story of a warrior women or goddess that would only be with a man that could defeat her but I can't quite remember what it's making me think of. Any ideas?

Dammnit nevermind. As soon as I posted this I realized it was that cheesy Red Sonja movie I was probably thinking of.

[Evamitchelle]

Not sure if this should have been asked in the references and homages topic, but it is a question so here it is. I was thinking about Brienne telling one of the men that came to marry her that he'd have to beat her on the field for her to obey him and it reminded me of a mythology story of a warrior women or goddess that would only be with a man that could defeat her but I can't quite remember what it's making me think of. Any ideas? Dammnit nevermind. As soon as I posted this I realized it was that cheesy Red Sonja movie I was probably thinking of.

There is also a mythological goddess that did this kind of thing : Atalanta, who only agreed to marry the man who could outrun her in a footrace. Those who lost were put to death. Hippomenes finally won with Aphrodite's help, who gave him 3 golden apples to distract Atalanta with.

[Lykos]

@bloodymime: It reminded me of Brynhildr.