A Thread for Small Questions XVII

[Kairi]

I am currently re-reading ACOK and in the chapter where Catelyn visits Jaime in the dungeons and he says;

"The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act."

Who exactly is the one that loved him for the kindness that he never did? A Stark or someone else?

[Kairi]

Sorry double post

[Gingerly Grumkin]

I am currently re-reading ACOK and in the chapter where Catelyn visits Jaime in the dungeons and he says; "The Starks were nothing to me. I will say, I think it passing odd that I am loved by one for a kindness I never did, and reviled by so many for my finest act." Who exactly is the one that loved him for the kindness that he never did? A Stark or someone else?

The Imp and the scenario regarding his first wife, at least that's what i think

[Jolene Brown]

Yes, Tyrion, but it has never really made sense to me that Tyrion would "love" Jaime for it. Tyrion loves Jaime, yes, but hardly because of his role in the Tysha situation I wouldn't say, even if it is characterized as something Jaime did for Tyrion's benefit. That line never quite worked for me.

[Kairi]

The Imp and the scenario regarding his first wife, at least that's what i think

Yes, Tyrion, but it has never really made sense to me that Tyrion would "love" Jaime for it. Tyrion loves Jaime, yes, but hardly because of his role in the Tysha situation I wouldn't say, even if it is characterized as something Jaime did for Tyrion's benefit. That line never quite worked for me.

Thanks.

For a minute there I thought I missed something, as in J+L=J, given all the bastards and alleged bastards folks are theorizing about.

[Hardstone]

Why does Lord Bryce Caron, the Lord of Nightsong/Lord of the Marchers, join Renly's Rainbow Guard? Don't the same Kingsguard rules apply to them or was it a title only for war time?

He has no heirs to speak of and now the Foote's rule after his death.

[Evamitchelle]

Why does Lord Bryce Caron, the Lord of Nightsong/Lord of the Marchers, join Renly's Rainbow Guard? Don't the same Kingsguard rules apply to them or was it a title only for war time? He has no heirs to speak of and now the Foote's rule after his death.

Maybe he just didn't want to be a Lord with all the responsibilities that came with it, or didn't want to marry. It's also possible that he likes his bastard brother and wouldn't mind him getting the Lordship. Ser Rolland Storm seems a pretty good guy overall, he helped Davos bring Edric to safety and remained with him when he confronted Stannis and Melisandre about it.

[Koi No Yokan]

Hi all, sorry if this has been asked before (I've skimmed through but don't really have the time to read what looks like countless Q/A threads), but..

- Do we know what has happened with Edric Storm? Last I recall him being mentioned was in Clash of Kings, I think?

- Why was Shae in Tywin's bed?

Also (personal questions for the readers, yay!);

- Does it feel to you like Martin keeps branching his characters and their stories further and further out without much sense of accomplishment? Dany's story has felt stagnant for the past couple books (hopefully the khalassar will make amends to that), Arya's (whilst interesting) is all over the place, Tyrion is dancing his way through the world asking after whores... personally it feels as though Jon, Stannis and Theon are the only ones going somewhere. Just wanted to know if anyone felt the same, or I was missing something!

- How did you feel about the epilogue of ADwD, with Varys?

Just a few off the top of my head. Glad to finally be a part of the forums after being a long-time lurker!

[Athanasius Pernath]

How did you feel about the epilogue of ADwD, with Varys?

bad. i mean, i always liked the eunuch. i'm totally Team Baelish, actually, but i liked the Spider as well. but now..there is a term used in the italian role-playing-games 'play by chat' that i don't know if is used in english language too (i'm not an rpg expert, honestly). is 'Power Player'. Well, Varys is now an insufferable Power Player (P.P.)

One side we have Baelish. A man who, for example, when wanna change the political order and balance of the kingdoms has to improvise some crazy great idea to put someone agaisnt someone else. Or, when he wanna KILL someone, he plans in detail a wonderful, complex scheme to achieve the result.

And Varys? well, Varys APPEARS. come on, that's not fair at all :)

[Lykos]

@Khal Frodo: Welcome to the board, you´re asking quite a lot in your first post. There are several threads that discuss your questions, try to search for them. Here are some links on Edric and Varys. There are some theories on Shae and Tywin, too. One is sugesting that Shae was planted by Tywin as a spy on Tyrion another proposes that Varys aranged it to cause Tyrion killing Tywin, both seem unlikely to me. Found a thread.

I have the feeling the characters were branching out and that´s why we got the feeling that Dany´s arc was stagnating more than intended, because there are more main characters in Westeros. But I have the feeling Martin has picked up the different threads and is preparing to drop some and connect the rest. I´m quite confident that he´ll finish in the next two books, and picking up some speed too. But that might be wishful thinking.

ETA: Another Varys thread.

[Teal'c]

@Khal Frodo: I think Shae was just an opportunist. She probably came to Tywin's attention during evidence discovery for Tyrion's trial. If George had given us the backstory ahead, the surprise would have been spoiled.

[BabyMeraxes]

Are we supposed to assume that Daenerys was concieved the night Aerys burned Lord Chelsted? Like, does the timing work out?

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Are we supposed to assume that Daenerys was concieved the night Aerys burned Lord Chelsted? Like, does the timing work out?

I always thought it was when Rickard and Brandon Stark died. That way (if you belive in this sort of thing) the Gods made sure all of the shenanigans regarding tourney at harrenhal just so Dany will be conceived. Thusly adding to my suspicion; It's all about Dany :P

[rmholt]

Yes, Tyrion, but it has never really made sense to me that Tyrion would "love" Jaime for it. Tyrion loves Jaime, yes, but hardly because of his role in the Tysha situation I wouldn't say, even if it is characterized as something Jaime did for Tyrion's benefit. That line never quite worked for me.

He thought jaime had gone to some trouble to give his little brother something. Intent counts.

Marie

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

Are we supposed to assume that Daenerys was concieved the night Aerys burned Lord Chelsted? Like, does the timing work out?

That's how I take it, yeah. If she had been conceived when Brandon and Rickard were burned, she'd've been born way, way before she was, which was about nine months after the Sack.

I always thought it was when Rickard and Brandon Stark died. That way (if you belive in this sort of thing) the Gods made sure all of the shenanigans regarding tourney at harrenhal just so Dany will be conceived. Thusly adding to my suspicion; It's all about Dany :P

Their deaths are too early for her to have been conceived.

[GreyDeLeon]

"Her lips twisted. It was an ugly smile, a smile that reminded him of Ramsay’s. “Catelyn Tully

dispatched Lord Eddard’s bones north before the Red Wedding, but your iron uncle seized Moat Cailin

and closed the way. I have been watching ever since. Should those bones ever emerge from the

swamps, they will get no farther than Barrowton.” She threw one last lingering look at the likeness of

Eddard Stark. “We are done here.” aDwD pg.473

I have a feeling the House Reed as Neds Bones, or maybe Cat sent word word to him about it. Could this be a clue/foreshadowing of him going to the Crypts of Winterfell?

[Narf]

Which First Men Houses Are Mentioned? And was still around after the Targaryen Conquest?

[Fire Eater]

Which First Men Houses Are Mentioned? And was still around after the Targaryen Conquest?

Starks, Royces, Westerlings, Redforts, Lannisters, Hightowers, Brackens, Blackwoods, Daynes, Umbers, most of the houses of the North and many more I haven't mentioned. Most of the noble houses have some descent from the First Men.

[Narf]

Hmm then, which are still veiwing themselves as first men and have truth to back it up?

[Fire Eater]

Hmm then, which are still veiwing themselves as first men and have truth to back it up?

The ones who worship the Old Gods.