A Thread for Small Questions XVII

[Red R'hllor]

Can anyone write Hodor's song here?

It was something like "HoDOR HoDOR" so GRRM made it like he was actually singing. Thanks in advance.

[GreenDream]

I believe all the Northmen but the Manderlys, and the Blackwoods. There may be more I'm forgetting.

The Manderlys came from the reach originally, but they could have intermarried and have some blood of the 1st men. The Blackwoods definitely have blood of the 1st men, I am almost 100% on that one. I am pretty sure I read it in one of the books, maybe one of the Dunk and Egg stories.

I recall Martin saying that the first men had simple, descriptive names. IE. Stark, Mudd, etc. The Andals had more elaborate names like Arryn, Lannister, Casterly, Dayne etc. that weren't descriptive

edit to add: Casterly was actually the extinct house of first men, but the Lannisters that took over, are indeed, Andals.

[kissdbyfire]

The Manderlys came from the reach originally, but they could have intermarried and have some blood of the 1st men. The Blackwoods definitely have blood of the 1st men, I am almost 100% on that one. I am pretty sure I read it in one of the books, maybe one of the Dunk and Egg stories. I recall Martin saying that the first men had simple, descriptive names. IE. Stark, Mudd, etc. The Andals had more elaborate names like Arryn, Lannister, Casterly, Dayne etc. that weren't descriptive

Yes, but I don't think that's what the guy/girl was asking...IIRC. The Manderlys wouldn't be originally First Men and they wouldn't consider themselves FM, right?

[GreenDream]

Yes, but I don't think that's what the guy/girl was asking...IIRC. The Manderlys wouldn't be originally First Men and they wouldn't consider themselves FM, right?

No, I don't believe so. They worship the Seven. They are decended from the Andals. But I was mostly disagreeing with the Blackwoods not being First Men. They are, i just checked the wiki.

oh, by the way, what is IIRC? I've seen it a hundred times, and I can't figure out what it means. lol

[kissdbyfire]

No, I don't believe so. They worship the Seven. They are decended from the Andals. But I was mostly disagreeing with the Blackwoods not being First Men. They are, i just checked the wiki.

oh, by the way, what is IIRC? I've seen it a hundred times, and I can't figure out what it means. lol

IIRC - if I remember correctly

I didn't say the Blackwoods aren't FM! Just the opposite, they are as First Men as can be! :D

If you read my post, in reply to 'which houses consider themselves FM and have the facts to back it up (paraphrasing) I said: all the Northmen but (except) the Manderlys, and the Blackwoods.

[GreenDream]

IIRC - if I remember correctly I didn't say the Blackwoods aren't FM! Just the opposite, they are as First Men as can be! :D If you read my post, in reply to 'which houses consider themselves FM and have the facts to back it up (paraphrasing) I said: all the Northmen but (except) the Manderlys, and the Blackwoods.

ok sorry, then I misread you. It was confusing because I thought you said all, except the Manderlys and the Blackwoods. I thought you were including the Blackwoods in the but part. It would probably have been clearer if you said: The Blackwoods, and all the Northmen except the Manderleys. ;)

[BabyMeraxes]

Are Whitesmile Wat and Wat the Blue Bard the same person?

[Gingerly Grumkin]

Are Whitesmile Wat and Wat the Blue Bard the same person?

No Blue Bard is a Tyrell Bard and Wat is a Lannister Bard.

Speaking of Lannisters, why was Joffrey never a squire? Surely a warrior like Robert would want him to be a warrior as well. I understand why he wasn't a squire to his uncle, it's the same reason hus uncle never held him. But the 7 Kingdoms are large I'm sure many knights and lords would love to have the Prince as a squire

[Merrett Frey]

I just started a re-read of the series and found something questionable right off the bat, in the Prologue to AGoT. I looked this up and can't find any previous discussion of it.

If Waymar, Gared, and Will are nine days' ride from the Wall, how has Will drawn a dozen watches in the past week (during which he noticed that the Wall was weeping)?

[The hairy bear]

why was Joffrey never a squire? Surely a warrior like Robert would want him to be a warrior as well. I understand why he wasn't a squire to his uncle, it's the same reason hus uncle never held him. But the 7 Kingdoms are large I'm sure many knights and lords would love to have the Prince as a squire

I don't think that the heir to the crown is supposed to squire for anyone. At least I don't think we've heard of Rhaegar squiring either, or Valarr in the D&E times. And I can see how it would be preferable for a future king to stay away from potential disputes among his subjects.

[Gingerly Grumkin]

I don't think that the heir to the crown is supposed to squire for anyone. At least I don't think we've heard of Rhaegar squiring either, or Valarr in the D&E times. And I can see how it would be preferable for a future king to stay away from potential disputes among his subjects.

Tommen want's to be Loras' squire

[bloodymime]

I just started a re-read of the series and found something questionable right off the bat, in the Prologue to AGoT. I looked this up and can't find any previous discussion of it. If Waymar, Gared, and Will are nine days' ride from the Wall, how has Will drawn a dozen watches in the past week (during which he noticed that the Wall was weeping)?

"There never was a week when he did not draw a dozen bloody watches."

I think it's more of an exaggerated complaint in his head rather than a listing of facts and figures. 'Geeze I do everything around here'. Obviously no one does everthing, yet get we get the sense of the meaning.

[Rune Targaryen]

Tommen want's to be Loras' squire

That doesn't mean that crown prince usually are squires. Tommen also wants to ban beets (or something).

[Crown]

Thought Balon was killed by Stannis and Melisandre leach thing?

There's a theory that Euron bought the hit on Balon with his dragon egg from the Faceless Men. The dreams of the Ghost of High Heart seem to confirm these suspicions (except for the egg, that's speculation): ''a man without a face, waiting on a swaying bridge, on his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from its wings''

EDIT: Nevermind this, I looked on the wrong page and didn't look at the date, thought this was the last post. Facepalm.

[kissdbyfire]

That doesn't mean that crown prince usually are squires. Tommen also wants to ban beets (or something).

Aegon V squired for Duncan the Tall.

[Tall Tyrion Lannister!]

how did delorous edd get his nickname?

[Merrett Frey]

"There never was a week when he did not draw a dozen bloody watches." I think it's more of an exaggerated complaint in his head rather than a listing of facts and figures. 'Geeze I do everything around here'. Obviously no one does everthing, yet get we get the sense of the meaning.

From the Prologue:

"Have you drawn any watches this past week, Will?"

"Yes, m'lord." There never was a week when he did not draw a dozen bloody watches. What was the man driving at?

"And how did you find the Wall?"

"Weeping," Will said, frowning. He saw it clear enough, now that the lordling had pointed it out. "They couldn't have froze. Not if the Wall was weeping. It wasn't cold enough."

Waymar asks directly whether Will has had any watches in the past week. But it has been at least nine days since Will saw the Wall weeping, during which time they have been traveling further north. Will also notes that each day has been colder than the one before.

[Rune Targaryen]

Aegon V squired for Duncan the Tall.

But egg pretty far on the line of succession. And was so uncommon that Grrm is writing stories about it.

[bloodymime]

From the Prologue: "Have you drawn any watches this past week, Will?" "Yes, m'lord." There never was a week when he did not draw a dozen bloody watches. What was the man driving at? "And how did you find the Wall?" "Weeping," Will said, frowning. He saw it clear enough, now that the lordling had pointed it out. "They couldn't have froze. Not if the Wall was weeping. It wasn't cold enough." Waymar asks directly whether Will has had any watches in the past week. But it has been at least nine days since Will saw the Wall weeping, during which time they have been traveling further north. Will also notes that each day has been colder than the one before.

I see what you're saying now and you're right it doesn't add up by at least a couple of days if they use a seven day week but I'm willing to see it as more of a mistake of some men with more on their mind than making sure they get the date exactly correct. 'The other day' to me can be anything from the actual other day to a couple of months ago so that's what I see here personally.

Could be Mr. Martin's first indication that a person should pay attention to what they're reading because these pov's aren't necessarily reliable or should be taken as a gospel truth.

[King Doug]

Aegon V squired for Duncan the Tall.

He did, but he was the 4th son of the 4th son of the king. He wasn't the heir. I don't remember his name, but Baelor Breakspear's son wasn't mentioned as ever being a squire. And he was pretty young for a knight.

ETA Rune beat me to it