White-Luck Warrior IX

[Reposado]

I think it bothers everyone on some level. For any author. It's not something to damn him for, though for those people who like good prose or have a good memory it can be one of those nails on chalkboard moments. What, Niello AGAIN? Fuck. FUCK. What, porn descriptions of food again? Bah.

true and this can certainly be offputting. i think the abercrombie ones are exceptions. they make sense. back to the mud is a regional idiom in his world. and "say one thing for...": is pretty much a one-character thing.

they didn't appear mid way through the series and then appear in everyones mouth.

that said, words are wind is very applicable in everyday life, er, i'm tempted to use it every time an NFL coach says what he wants to do this year

[sologdin]

rather events are moving toward a future point. So the exact events may be undetermined, but the set of possibilities in the probability space is narrowed because ultimately the chains have to lead to the prophesied events

that's why it's uncritical. in no sense does the above-quoted indicate that After determines the Before--unless we're talking about the future fact exerting retroactive determination.

[Sci-2]

unless we're talking about the future fact exerting retroactive determination.

This, in a sense, is what we are talking about AFAIK.

[Madness]

I made my commentary considering that Bakker writes out of sequence. He'd mentioned months ago that the ending of TUC was nearly completed while the beginnings were only haphazardly written at that point.

But both lockesnow and sciborg have good points. Bakker knows exactly where things are going, whats going to happen in TUC and TSTSNBN - needs a better acronym that one. Considering that WCADWCB is a principle introduced in the AE arc, I'd probably argue that Bakker is going to be self-consciously referencing this in the narrative as it unfolds, possibly even a la LTG in regards to breaking the fourth wall.

[Francis Buck]

Wait, what does TSTSNBN stand for again?

[marwyn]

The series that shall not be named - the duology/trilogy after aspect emperor. Were not allowed to know its name yet as the name is very spoilery, aplarently.

[jurble]

rather events are moving toward a future point. So the exact events may be undetermined, but the set of possibilities in the probability space is narrowed because ultimately the chains have to lead to the prophesied events

that's why it's uncritical. in no sense does the above-quoted indicate that After determines the Before--unless we're talking about the future fact exerting retroactive determination.

When the Dunyain say that what comes after can't determine what comes before, and then say that's why prophecy doesn't work, I think they're assuming causality only works in the direction of the arrow-of-time. For prophecy to work (an event that is guaranteed to happen in the future), then information from the future is entering the past such that the future occurs. Ergo, what is coming after (time-wise) is determining what comes before (causally).

[sologdin]

name is very spoilery

i mentally refer to it as TNG, but maybe i'll be surprised by the ending of TUC, wherein dude is turned into a wathi doll and the third series becomes a crypto-tolkienian remake of pinocchio.

[Sci-2]

name is very spoilery

i mentally refer to it as TNG, but maybe i'll be surprised by the ending of TUC, wherein dude is turned into a wathi doll and the third series becomes a crypto-tolkienian remake of pinocchio.

Heh.

@Madness: No more 4th wall breaking. Gods no.

[Kalbear]

Sciborg - ever are men deceived.

[sologdin]

so, kal, are you the new RSB sockpuppet?

[Sci-2]

Sciborg - ever are men deceived.

Heh, can you imagine if there was some Earwa equivalent of feminist critic that recognizes all the misogyny around her who gets dethroned from her position of power and ends up in a brothel....

[Kalbear]

I'm very much looking forward to sci or me getting the Crichton treatment in the next book.

[Sci-2]

When people look into the inverse fire perhaps what they see is an abominable badger bouncing for all of eternity.

Men have been driven to commit atrocities by less.

heh. I see myself as a third, wayward Inchie brother. The Toad of the Mario-Luigi team.

What would be fascinating is if the Inverse Fire somehow allowed Bakker to write himself into the novel Dark Tower style.

[Shryke]

I'm very much looking forward to sci or me getting the Crichton treatment in the next book.

This would be the best thing ever.

Book of the year.

[Sci-2]

I could be Nonman Erratic as well -> Na'ajas Letap.

eta:

I think that he might have...gone mad since Aoife christened him as Kallhus.

"You were the first, the Lucifer in our Host, Kalbear. I can see now the price of such...insight.

The trial has broken you."

Sciborg2 spoke as he walked, assuming his compatriot, the very man who'd led him into the Steppe, now followed him in the paths of mind and world.

"But we have not the time for luxuries. Already they tire of our criticisms. All too soon the Bakker will turn his gaze and blog about us."

They walked in star lit dark, use the deeper darkness of the tunnels' wards to light their way . Why had they not heard from their allies? Lady Stark, Squierrel Punk, neither had made contact via the Cants of Calling.

Had even The Fox of Winter been routed?

"Yes. He speaks to me as well."

Sciborg2 stopped, and the belt of serpents around his neck joined him in stillness. He gagged in disbelief.

Had he followed the honey scented anus of this man over the edge of chasm?

"Then you are truly mad."

[Fragile Bird]

Are there threads where one can read the Bakker pontificating, or were they deleted?

[Tears of Lys]

I could be Nonman Erratic as well -> Na'ajas Letap.

eta:

"You were the first, the Lucifer in our Host, Kalbear. I can see now the price of such...insight.

The trial has broken you."

Sciborg2 spoke as he walked, assuming his compatriot, the very man who'd led him into the Steppe, now followed him in the paths of mind and world.

"But we have not the time for luxuries. Already they tire of our criticisms. All too soon the Bakker will turn his gaze and blog about us."

They walked in star lit dark, use the deeper darkness of the tunnels' wards to light their way . Why had they not heard from their allies? Lady Stark, Squierrel Punk, neither had made contact via the Cants of Calling.

Had even The Fox of Winter been routed?

"Yes. He speaks to me as well."

Sciborg2 stopped, and the belt of serpents around his neck joined him in stillness. He gagged in disbelief.

Had he followed the honey scented anus of this man over the edge of chasm?

"Then you are truly mad."

:stunned: Have you ever considered entering the Bulwer Lytton contest? "honey scented anus"?????

Although, come to think of it, there's a few passages from the original that would outdo that.

[Sci-2]

:stunned: Have you ever considered entering the Bulwer Lytton contest? "honey scented anus"?????

Although, come to think of it, there's a few passages from the original that would outdo that.

"A wind had dropped into the silence, and the scent of the onlookers filled his nostrils: the bitter

of rotting teeth, the ink of armpits, the honey of unwashed anuses, all shot through with strands

of balsam, orange, and jasmine."

-TTT

To be fair, I've not put this to the test.

[Kalbear]

"Then you are truly mad."

Men call what they do not understand broken. They describe it as a child describes the world, in simple terms using the words they barely understand, not realizing the depths of ignorance this reveals. Of them, of their lives, of their entire existence. They name it such and then congratulate themselves on their cleverness, a scintillating geometry of social confirmation whose radiance blinds any chance of reason or knowledge.

Men call me broken. Men see the warning points displayed forever across my mustelid-encrusted visage and think I am cursed. That I am no longer Kalbear.

I am more.