[TWoW Spoilers] The Winds of Winter - OUR PREDICTIONS -

[Davos' fingertip]

^ yeah Dito. I've been wanting to do all the predictions too, but there's just so much stuff going on that i don't even want to try. I can predict stuff with Dany and the Wall (Fire and Ice) but the Game of Thrones is impossible to predict.

[Sword of the Summer Isles]

Jon is going to come back. And we're going to find a definitive answer to the R+L=J theory. The reason this theory is so obvious is because Martin had originally conceived the series as a trilogy. We get beaten over the head with it because he had intended the revelation to come in the third volume.

[protar]

I predict that Theon sent the Pink Letter under instruction from Bran and that's why BRan is manipulating Theon into getting in front of that Weirwood. As a Greenseer Bran has all the information necessary to fabricate the letter but needs Theon's intimate knowledge of Ramsay to capture his persona in the letter. The letter then acts as a means to lure Jon down to Winterfell to unlock a secret in lower levels of the crypts (which must be unlocked by a Stark). Obviously this partially fell through with Jon being assasinated but he'll still be able to warg into Ghost and make his way to Witnterfell from there. The secret in the crypt will be the Horn of Joramun which Jon will blow to wake a dragon from beneath the Wall to use against the Others, but destroying (or atleast breaching) The Wall in the process.

[TheRedPriest]

There is a lot of storylines that you guys seem to ignore:

- Brienne and Jaime

- Arya's target

- Euron's plausible murder of Balon, and his reign and the damphyr's force fo de-throne him

- LF's plot, and Sansa's reckoning

- Whatever happened to the Reed patriarch?

- Stannis's debt with the Iron Bank

- Cersei's trial (not the speculation on Robert Strong)

[TheRedPriest]

Ah, and i'd like to know Melissandre's backstory with a little more detail

[Sword of the Summer Isles]

Well the other storylines aren't as pressing to many readers, which means that most of the fans seem to have certain things in common in the stories that resonate most with them.

[LordAlexOfTheWolds]

I have a feeling that The Bolton's will defeat Stannis, but that surely won't be the end of Stannis. The power of the Boltons and the Freys will be Cersei's rise to power. I reckon Theon will live, and him and Asha will call another Kingsmoot, or certainly try for rule of the Iron Isles. Melisandre will revive Jon Snow, and will become confused over who really is Azor Ahai. Victarion will use the horn to lure the dragons, but he will meet the same fate as Quentyn Martell. I'm not sure what will happen with Euron, but I can't see him getting the Dragons. The Lannisters seem dead and defeated, but surely they'll have one last rise. I just don't know, there are so many possibilities, the reason I love these books.

By the end of the series, I think Tyrion will die. Something will prevent a Kinslayer being Lord of Casterly Rock. Theon I think will gain the Iron Isles, and use this to help the Starks regain Winterfell, and will sacrifice himself to save Rickon, or give power back to the Starks. The Starks won't have a huge impact on the 'Game of Thrones', they aren't meant to rule. They need Winterfell, and that is all.

So many wonderful possibilities, I love it!

Personally, I hope the Greatjon escapes the Freys with the help of the Blackfish, Edmure and Sansa with the Vale (after disposing of LF) and kills everyone. But I doubt it. Littlefinger surely has a huge part left to play in this game, and I don't think Sansa is smart enough or cunning enough to be the one to stop him, unless LF is blinded by his love for Cat/Sansa. A similar fate to Lysa?

Wow. I'm clueless!

[TheRedPriest]

Jon wargs into Ghost, to save his spirit and by instinct or some Bran message knows to head for the Heart Tree where Stannis is planning to behead Theon. Bran makes an appearance at the heart tree showing his powers and Jon wargs into a weak Stannis. Jon and the Manderly's defeat the Freys by the lake and with the help of the hooded man (Blackfish), enter Winterfell and take it. Bran finds out the past about Jon and tells him he is the son of Arthur Dayne/Lyanna. Lyanna is still alive and is actually Lemore.

Theon kills Ramsay and refinds himself. Then with Asha they call another Kingsmoot, but Euron is nowhere to be found. Aaron Greyjoy helps, but is killed by Euron somehow.

Davos finds Rickon and brings him to Stannis AKA Jon, where Jon sends him to rescue the wildings.

I stole this, but I like it... "Arya - runs into Justin Massey in one of her disguises, learns of "Arya's" marriage. Quits her training, returns (still disguised) with Massey to find out the truth.

Bran, after helping to retake Winterfell looks through his tree to help Jon AKA Stannis.

Dany returns to Mereen with her new Khalasar and with the Stormcrows and Vicatarion crush their enemies. Dany kills Hizdahr, feeding him to Drogon. Victarion gains control of a dragon, only to lose it and Dany to Euron, who is disguised somewhere makes an appearance and marries Dany himself. Barristan is killed in the battle, but Tyrion gives Dany great advise and becomes her hand.... interestingly bc Arys/Tywin. Dany/Euron/Tyrion/Jorah/Dornish head to Westeros.

Cersei wins her trial and commands Mace Tyrell to win back the Stormlands, but secretly attempts to marry Aegon to Myrcella.

Jamie is brought to unCat and agrees to help her get revenge on the Freys. Jamie offers to marry a Frey, but at the Wedding helps the BWOB into the Crossing and they murder all of the Freys. Brienne is killed and Cat, having gotten revenge gives up her undeadness to revive Brienne. Thoros heals Jamie's hand and Jamie decides to return to King's Landing to kill Cersei/Tommen. - Once he does this he becomes AA.

Connington and Aegon defeat the Tyrells and make a pact with Dorne, and a secret pact with Cersei. Unfortunately Connington's disease "grey scale" spreads. Aegon finds out about the grey scale and has Connington killed, but it's too late. Arianne is infected and returns to Dorne. Aegon is a false Targ... not sure how... maybe the son of Rhaegar and Ashara or Ned/Ashara... lots of confusing baby switching.

Sansa's identity is revealed as she marries Harry. Rickon is reinstated in Winterfell. Sick Robin dies at the hands of LF, which Sansa finds disgusting, so she tricks LF into bed and kills him.

Sam discovers a bunch of crazy shit and finds out what Jaquen is up to. Then heads back to the wall where the Nights Watch is all but destroyed. Stannis AKA Jon's men are all that remain.

Dany lands at Westeros.

The wall falls.

Higly unlikely, bro

The bit on cersei declaring for Aegon is a bad, bad joke

[Lightstar]

Higly unlikely, bro

The bit on cersei declaring for Aegon is a bad, bad joke

Not after she believes Tyrion/Mace Tyrell kills Tommen.

[Starkland]

Hey guys, Cannot wait for the TWoW as so much is going to happen. Too much to predict and i have read all of yours too. Please read my rather big prediction, let me know what ya think :cool4:

Basically Winter has come. Dany is coming.

http://completelyran...inter-has-come/

[TheRedPriest]

Not after she believes Tyrion/Mace Tyrell kills Tommen.

Still, a Targaryen and Lannister allignance is unlikely

[Team_Rob]

1) I think that Ser Barristan will be revealed as the third betrayal. When he learns of Aegon's (real or no) return, he betrays her for love.

2) Theon is reborn harder and stronger by the Damp hair before forcing another kingsmoot.

3) Bran uses some fireworms to kill some of The Others.

4) Jaime is the Valonqar.

5) Nymeria's wolfpack decents on Walder Freys litter on the way to Riverun and slaughters all the Freys there.

6) Arya disguised as Sansa kills Robert Strong aka Ser Gregor thinking she is the real Sansa. Gregor should have died. The Red God must have his due. She also gives the gift to Littlefinger.

[By the Old Gods Not theNew]

I noticed that there aren't any predictions (in this thread) proposing Cersei will be tried in a Trial By Seven.

There are two scenarios in which I could see this happen.

Scenario #1

The High Septon in the fallout of Kevan’s murder will demand a Trial by Seven. This could happen for a number of reasons:

• The High Septon is likely to see the Queens hand behind Kevan’s murder. He was dining w/ her. She is under his guard and he has replaced her not only as regent but as the primary guardian of her son. This will only increase High Septon’s dislike for her and his desire to rid the court of her sinning ways.
  
  
• The High Septon is particularly pious and could see this both as a way of cleansing the court of sinners and/or proving it’s guilt/innocence. Keep in mind she is accused of having slept w/ at least 2 of the 7 kingsgaurd. The whole court seems kind of scandalous.
  
  
• The High Septon also seems to like large public spectacles – for example: Cersei’s penance walk. A trial by seven would be a huge spectacle.
  
  
• The High Septon also probably has a lasting grudge against house Lannister. Brianne of Tarth encountered him in the riverlands w/ the bones of holy septons killed in the war, almost all by Lannister forces (Gregor, and the Brave Companions how were brought to westeros by Tywin Lannister).
  
  
• It is also known that the sparrows, who put the High Septon in power, believe that the Red Wedding was a grievous sin against men and gods. Furthermore it is rumored that Crown/Lannisters had a hand it.
  

• The High Septon also probably doesn’t want to see Gregorstien kill the Faith’s lone champion, by opting for a trial by seven he would reduce the advantage that Gregorstien gives Cersei. Furthermore the uncertain conclusion of the last trial by combat and the question that must be swirling around Kingslanding about the identity of Gregorstien would lead me to believe the High Septon will want to avoid the pit falls of a simple trial by combat.
  
  
• That’s a lot of sinning and a lot justification for a major public spectacle to cleanse the land of a sinful court that has brought nothing but war and misery to the small folk.
  
  

Scenario #2 (crackpottery)

A series of events put into motion primarily by Doran Martell will result in Cersei being tried in a Trial by Seven. I believe this is possible for a number of reasons:

• I think Doran will be angered to hear there is a mysterious mountain of a man in Kingslanding, on the Kingsgaurd, and named as Cersie’s Champion. No doubt Doran will want both of their heads. I can’t see Doran sitting by as Cersei names the Mountain as her champion to escape justice. hence I see him intervening w/ a ploy that includes forcing a Trial by Seven, to at least buy some time, so he can have a “sack Kingslanging and murder them all” back up plan in place.
  
  
• I think Doran has a number of agents throughout Kingslanding, as others have indicated Varys is likely Doran’s Friend at Court (did the dornish master-at-arms that cersei sent for in AFOC ever make it to Kingslanding?).
  
  
• I think Doran has agents in high places in the Faith. Specifically Theodan Wells Lord Commander of the Warrior’s Sons.
  

• Wells is a Dornishman.
  
• He’s related to William Wells who died escorting Quentyn Martell to meet Dany.
  
• It would make sense that he is one of Doran’s agents.
  
• He also escorted Cersei on her penance walk and has thus seen Gregorstien up close.
  
• He was also one of the first Knights to join the Warrior’s Sons, thus if I’m right that Doran sent him it indicates a certain swiftness that Doran can employ when hatching his plots.
  

• I think Doran had Varys murder Kevan. The death of Kevan does a couple of things to help Dorne in their pursuit of vengeance.
  
  • It will sow doubt and mistrust throughout Kingslanding - Varys says as much in the epilogue.
    
    
  • The Faith won’t trust the court, the Tyrells won’t trust the Lannisters etc.
    
    
  • The Faith will be angered by the murder of Kevan who was one of the few people in the court who didn’t treat them w/ contempt.
    
    
    

  [*]I think it will predictably result in Mace Tyrell trying to assume more power by declaring himself Regent

  • He’s power hungry, and everyone knows it. This makes him predictable.
    
    
  • He’s likely in control of the small council w/ the deaths of Kevan and Pycelle.
    
    
  • He’s hand to a king the signs anything put in front of him.
    
    

• He wants to pardon his daughter before her trial.
  
• There are no qualified Lannisters in Kingslanding and there are no Lannisters on the small council they’re too far removed from power to reclaim control. Cersei is essential on conditional release pending trial. One of the major conditions is that she can’t have any say over Tommen. So I can’t see her regaining the Regency. Besides Tyrell would likely use his control of the small council to block her power so he could take it.
  
• All of which point not only to Mace taking over but that Varys hopes he will take over knowing what an idiot he is.
  

• As Regent/Hand Mace will immediately pardon his daughter Margery. This will further anger the Faith.
  
  
• Upon hearing Storm’s End has been taken and once his daughter is safely back in his/his bannermen’s custody he will rush off to lay siege to Storm’s End for a third time.
  
  
• Upon leaving Mace will name Randyl Tarly to look after things while he’s gone. Tarly has no time for the Faith and will ignore them further angering the High Septon.
  
  
• This will allow Nym and Tyene and fake Mycella the necessary time to enter Kingslanding after Mace has left for Strom’s End to take their places and further Doran’s plan for vengeance.
  
  
• Nym will take her seat on the small council and convince Tarly to turn on the Tyrells.
  
  • she is persuasive and has a number of good arguments – many that people on here have already suggested. (Aegon is strong, Tyrell’s heirs are weak, Aegon took Storm’s End something Mace can’t, ect)
    
  • plus one I haven’t seen which is the fact that Dorne has Two Dornish Armies (Boneway Pass, and Prince’s Pass) between Kingslanding and High Hill and Aegon will probably side w/ them giving them 3 armies blocking his path home.
    
  • He has a choice he can have the Reach if betrays Tyrell or he’ll die before ever reaching the ruins of his sacked castle.
    
    

• Tyene and Theodan will use their places w/in the faith to influence events from there. I think they will put the idea of a Trial by Seven in the High Septon’s head.
  
  
• Tarly will offer the High Septon a Trial By Seven as a way of appeasing both him and the gods.
  
  
• The High Septon will agree a trial by seven is just what the gods will want to atone for such a sinful court – if they are just and innocent the Seven of the Kingsguard will have to prove it.
  
  
• Aegon and the Dornish army in the Boneway Pass will strike smashing Mace Tyrell and his forces under the walls of Storm’s End.
  
  
• As the Trial By Seven is Happening the Aegon led Dornish/Gold Company forces will take Kingslanding to guarantee justice is served. Cersei will be found guilty by the Gods or by Aegon/Dorne. Once found guilty Tommen’s claim to the throne will be void. As he will be seen as a bastard born of incest, or killed in Aegon’s revenge. Aegon will take the throne uniting Dorne, the Stormlands, The Reach, and The Crownlands. They will than seek to subdue the Westernland and the Lannisters seat as well as the Riverlands and the Lannisters there.
  
  
• Dorne will have it’s Vengeance.
  

[aryagonnakill]

^ You clearly put a lot of thought into that and I agree with a lot of things you said, but I have a few counter arguments to make. First is the overall plot. You have Cersei being killed by someone other than Jaime Tyrion or Stannis which I really hope/ don't think will happen. Secondly if Cersei looses her trial by combat the Tyrells win, its basically game over in the struggle for power between Tyrells and Lannisters and that seems to be the exact opposite of what Varys wants, and I believe the High Septon is Varys puppet. Second is that a trial by seven would be completely unfair since Cersei can only name members of the Kingsgaurd and there are only 4 eligible members if that many. This may not matter but even if the high septon hates the lannisters he has no way to claim that was fair in the sight of the gods. Next is that the Dornish armies are not blocking anyone from going back to highgarden horn hill ect. they are farther south. I do however agree that it is likely that Randle Tarly betrays the Tyrells to take over the reach and declare for Aegon.

[Maid of Styrner Stuff]

I agree with most of the predictions relative to the Stark family. I haven't read through all 14 pages of predictions, but there are a couple of things I'd like to add:

- Greyscale – Jon Connington is already contagious and dying. Shireen’s illness will make a resurgence and become contagious and lethal. Connington will spread the disease in the south, and Shireen throughout the Night Watch and Stannis' army in the north.

- The Hooded Man in Winterfell will be revealed to be Benjen or one of the dead Winterfell lords without his sword. He must have lived there to have entered the sealed castle and to have been as successful in his dispatch of Boltons and Freys.

- Eastwatch Castle/ Hardhomme will be the site of epic sea battles with the multitude of drowned wights and other ominous creatures. Stannis’ fleet will be decimated. The sea wights will be the Other’s fifth column and enter the Gift to destroy Castle Black and the Wall from the south.

- Coldhands has said he’s very old. He's not Benjen, but someone of importance who we’ll recognize when he lowers that scarf around his face. Or be frightened of.

- The Blackfish is protecting the real King in the North, Robb’s child by Jeyne. But this won’t be known until the end of the series. Rickon will be fine with this as he’d rather be a knight and play with Shaggydog.

- Dragonglass and Valyrian swords will become indispensible during the war with the Others. Because of this, the island of Valyria with its volcanoes will be mined for the glass and the work will be dangerous but worth it.

- The War with the Others is devastating to Westeros. Who doesn’t get killed by them and turned into wights, will die by dragon or greyscale. Truly horrible and epic. Almost as bad as the Doom of Valyria. Only a select few survive at the end of the series.

[By the Old Gods Not theNew]

^ You clearly put a lot of thought into that and I agree with a lot of things you said, but I have a few counter arguments to make. First is the overall plot. You have Cersei being killed by someone other than Jaime Tyrion or Stannis which I really hope/ don't think will happen. Secondly if Cersei looses her trial by combat the Tyrells win, its basically game over in the struggle for power between Tyrells and Lannisters and that seems to be the exact opposite of what Varys wants, and I believe the High Septon is Varys puppet. Second is that a trial by seven would be completely unfair since Cersei can only name members of the Kingsgaurd and there are only 4 eligible members if that many. This may not matter but even if the high septon hates the lannisters he has no way to claim that was fair in the sight of the gods. Next is that the Dornish armies are not blocking anyone from going back to highgarden horn hill ect. they are farther south. I do however agree that it is likely that Randle Tarly betrays the Tyrells to take over the reach and declare for Aegon.

thanks. I agree w/ many of your counter-arguments. here's my clarifications/rebuttal.

The Plot Problem.

1. your probably right. this does create a lot of plot complication.
   
   
2. Jamie could still end up playing a part in killing Cersei in this scenario - He could fight and willingly lose. Jamie's role could also be revealed as an act he's already committed which has put these events into motion - the killing of Aerys perhaps.
   
   
3. Prophesies are tricky beasts. There's no guarantee how they actually play out.
   

The Tyrell/Lannister Power conflict

1. I don't think the Tyrells will be the winners if Cersei is found guilty. If she's guilty then Tommen's a bastard born of incest w/ no claim to the throne. This means Margery would no longer be queen. And the Lannisters are spent. The fact that the Tyrells are still worried about them shows they don't know the real threat that's coming from Aegon/Dorne.
   
   
2. In the second scenario the Tyrell/Lannister power feud is manipulated by Varys to see that Dorne and Aegon get their revenge.
   

The Issue of Fairness.

There are a number of work arounds.

1. All of the kingsguard could be called back to kingslanding. this would take time but it's possible. The second scenario requires a delay so that Doran can get all of his pieces in place.
   
   
2. The Kingsguard can be replaced based on Joffery's Selmy Precedent. Even Kevan thought about using it in the epilogue.
   
   
3. Balon Swann may need replacing by this time.
   
   
4. I assume that a trial by seven would include seven on each side. if it takes time I'm sure Doran and Faith will be fine w/ that because I assume Cersei will be back in the Faith's hands rotting away until her trial.
   

The Dornishmen's Army.

1. I know Drone is further south, but looking at the map, the mouth of the Prince's Pass (Tower of Joy) in the Dornish Marches is a lot closer to both Highgarden and Horn Hill than Kingslanding is. Therefore the army there can block/intercept any army coming from Kingslanding overland quite easily.
   
   
2. It would also be possible for the army in the Boneway Pass to intercept a party leaving from Kingslanding, though this would require great speed on the part of the Dornish. Either Summer Hall or Vultures Roost could be staging point that would allow the Dornish to move swiftly out of the pass and intercept an army coming south.
   
   
3. the fact that aegon's forces control the Stormlands provides another Army that could intercept an army moving south from Kingslanding.
   
   
4. This is also just a threat but it could be convincing and/or backed up - The Dornish Army in Prince's Pass could most certainly make it to Horn Hill before Tarly could make it there from KIngslanding, the army in the boneway pass could slow and even block his army and he would run the risk of being caught between armies if Aegon fell in behind him. Does He want to risk finding out? Why would he risk marching south, being intercepted on the way by not only 1 but 2(Boneway, Aegon) armies, only to make it home to face another army that has already laid ruin to your keep? particularly if you can keep your army, gain the reach and ally to an unspent force. obviously we agree that he'll chose the later. but i just think he has more to gain.
   

I agree Tarly will likely turncloak. and I agree that I'm probably totally wrong about this...but what if?

thanks for the counter-arguments, like said i think your right.

[TheReal_Rebel]

GRRM and the end episode of the HBO S2 series may have furnished hints

1).Kings landing and the Throne Room appears destroyed and the Iron Throne covered in snow.

It can mean The Others have marched on Kings Landing and killed all the inhabitants and the survivors have fled even further South, possibly with the Others in pursuit.

Or that snow covers the Iron chair and Dany does not sit in it could mean Jon Snow sits on the Iron Throne and, Dany to save the world from the Others is forced to sacrifice herself and her Dragons. (That would suck.)

2) GRRM said somewhere there will be something like the Red Wedding again.This implies a great betrayl and the death of heads of a House and their children. Since Cersei is always expecting betrayl, she would anticipate the Martell's or Tarleys. Perhap Lady Merrywhether might do it or, to my mind more likely,either Cersei goes mad and kills her children or Jaime does and they somehow kill each other. "we came in together, we will go out together."Remember Cersei already almost killedTommen.

3) I anticipate the above happening before The Others either destroy the Wall or march around or over it for KL. Before the Others march or as they do, Stannis takes sail from whereever is nearest Winterfell and sails around Aegon and takes KL claiming the Throne. Remember Melisandre's flames of phrophecy? they come true. But it's a short lived victory as the Others descend and remember how Throne Room looked burnt in "Valar Morgolus"? Perhaps it wasn't Dragonflame but Melisandre attempting to use her powers to stave off the Others but inadvertently burning the City in the process.

By the time Dany makes her way to Westeros to join forces with Aegeon and Dorne much of Westeros begins to look like Walking Dead.

[aryagonnakill]

^ Your clarification about the Dornish armies is spot on in my opinion. Mace Tarly has proven to be smart and a good battle commander so he would probably realize all those facts. Also the part about delaying a trial so it could be 7 on 7 would provide a way for Sandor to get to Kings Landing from the quite isle.

[Lightstar]

If there is a betrayal similar to the Red Wedding, I would assume it will happen either at Sansa's wedding or it will happen to Dany. Unless when he said this it was before the whole Jon/Caesar thing...

[SerLoin]

GRRM and the end episode of the HBO S2 series may have furnished hints

1).Kings landing and the Throne Room appears destroyed and the Iron Throne covered in snow.

It can mean The Others have marched on Kings Landing and killed all the inhabitants and the survivors have fled even further South, possibly with the Others in pursuit.

Or that snow covers the Iron chair and Dany does not sit in it could mean Jon Snow sits on the Iron Throne and, Dany to save the world from the Others is forced to sacrifice herself and her Dragons. (That would suck.)

I like your line of thinking there. I had a reaction to when the pyromancer, Bronn, and Tyrion were discussing the wildfire...the wildfire goes off and destroys the red keep. Alternatively her vision could have been the likely future of KL if Jaime had not murdered king Aerys - the destruction of the red keep.

I think that vision was just to show that the 7 kingdoms had no true ruler and without her going to Westeros that will be the end of the 7 kingdoms.