IVI4RCU5 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 So what is Roose's plan in sending Ramsay to Winterfell, anyway? Is he already planning to betray the Starks in the show?I don't think sending Ramsay to Winterfell necessarily means he's intending to betray them yet. If I recall correctly the catalyst for Roose turning his cloak is Robb wedding Jeyne and therefore losing the support of the Freys. As long as Robb marries Jeyne before the sack of Winterfell it'll all still make sense. On the other hand, Roose and Robb have butted heads in almost all their interactions on the show thus far, so it could well be that show-Roose simply believes Robb incapable of winning the war against the Lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IVI4RCU5 Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 sorry, double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkash Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 The news of casting saddens me a little bit, cause I was still holding to the foolish and stupid hope that they secretly already cast him and he would appear in the last moment... I already knew it was a fool's hope, but still ! =DAmazing he will be there next season ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblair Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Yes huge thumbs up for the bastard's future appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Pie Targaryen Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 My favorite part of the entire episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Pie Targaryen Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Did anyone else literally jump and shout with glee when Roose mentioned his son of the Dreadfort? I cannot express how much Ramsay being in the TV series means to me.Is anyone else sharing my enthusiasm?Reek, reek, it rhymes with weak.Funny, I did exactly that, punctuated with "yes" repeatedly. I was kind of worried Roose would be going to Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminated Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I'd like to see Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Ramsay (Henry 8 from the Tudors). They already took Ann Boleyn for Margaery anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Died a Hero Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 "Not bastard, never bastard! You mustn't call him that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SynthFG Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 So what is Roose's plan in sending Ramsay to Winterfell, anyway? Is he already planning to betray the Starks in the show?At the very least it puts Ramsay and the Dreadfort men in control of both Rob's Castle and his Heirs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman2711 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 i think the Dreadford and Winterfell were at war for some time till the Starks finally won the North and put an end to flaying and other fun games of the Boltonsbut Ramsay just so an opportunity to his future heritage and after the Hornwood domain he dreamed of a new Lord of the North for the Boltons for his father and in future for himself and acted on it with or without Roose consent as i dont remeber that Roose knew of his plans, and moreover he was wanted by the Winterfell host for the nice treatment of his wife so it was two birds with one stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WITCHKING Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I don't think sending Ramsay to Winterfell necessarily means he's intending to betray them yet. If I recall correctly the catalyst for Roose turning his cloak is Robb wedding Jeyne and therefore losing the support of the Freys. As long as Robb marries Jeyne before the sack of Winterfell it'll all still make sense.On the other hand, Roose and Robb have butted heads in almost all their interactions on the show thus far, so it could well be that show-Roose simply believes Robb incapable of winning the war against the Lannisters.Bolton said to Theon that Stark were done when he take Winderfell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrinceOfSunspear Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I'd like to see Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Ramsay (Henry 8 from the Tudors). They already took Ann Boleyn for Margaery anyway...THISOMG this would the perfect role for him....I also like that other person who was mention....Cillian something I believe.Anyways I'll wait to see how the actor does but so far I'm not seeing it. He doesn't strike me as Ramsay yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerMixalot Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Something seems to be off on the timeline for Ramsey, Roose, RobbIn the show, Robb has been nothing but successful in his war, he has not betrayed the Freys. Is Roose already plotting to betray him? Does he have that much control over his bastard? I Figured that Roose had only decided to betray robb between finding he has married and the RW. Cant recall how does that timeline work with Ramsey capturing Winterfell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elroy Mankins Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 It seems like the Bolton's have always resented the Starks, so I would think it would only take the right opportunity for them to betray them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Since Ramsay seems to be working for Roose now, my guess is this:Next episode is when he tracks down the boys and kills the miller's kids. I'm guessing the show will give us the cliffhanger of Theon stringing up two boys and some of the Winterfell staff wailing in horror.In the Prince of Winterfell, Yara/Asha comes to visit, drops off a few men, yells at Theon for being a moron for killing the boys, then leaves. Robb & Cat get the news of Bran & Rickon's death. (Twitter explodes with the controversy of killing children, especially a handicapped one)In episode 10, Ramsay's forces attack Winterfell and overwhelm the 30 or so men with Theon. We'll see some of the initial attack, and then they'll cut away to Theon's final scene with Wintefell burning around him, and Theon being slapped to the ground by Ramsay. (People will be cheering for Ramsay) They'll then have Roose reporting to Robb that Ramsay has retaken Winterfell, but Theon burned most of the structures to the ground when he saw he was losing. Alas, all inside were lost, save Theon who is now a prisoner.Then, episode 10 closes with Bran & Rickon escaping Winterfell with Hodor and Osha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Kyle Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Then, episode 10 closes with Bran & Rickon escaping Winterfell with Hodor and Osha.Do you think that they'll backtrack to Winterfell and hide in the crypts like in the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Lannister Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Do you think that they'll backtrack to Winterfell and hide in the crypts like in the book?Yeah, it makes sense and it was a good plot twist. I can't see any benefit to changing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 i think the Dreadford and Winterfell were at war for some time till the Starks finally won the North and put an end to flaying and other fun games of the Boltonsbut Ramsay just so an opportunity to his future heritage and after the Hornwood domain he dreamed of a new Lord of the North for the Boltons for his father and in future for himself and acted on it with or without Roose consent as i dont remeber that Roose knew of his plans, and moreover he was wanted by the Winterfell host for the nice treatment of his wife so it was two birds with one stoneI always thought Roose condoned Ramsay's actions in Cok. How else would Ramsay be able to rather 600 men to sack Winterfell, without the consent of their Lord? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 Do you think that they'll backtrack to Winterfell and hide in the crypts like in the book?Yes - it makes sense because Bran, Rickon, Hodor & Osha are on foot and don't have a chance to escape mounted Theon with dogs (assuming they have horses...)And, as somebody mentioned upthread, they already have the cool crypt set designed from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJeffCT Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I always thought Roose condoned Ramsay's actions in Cok. How else would Ramsay be able to rather 600 men to sack Winterfell, without the consent of their Lord?I thought he had 300-400 men? But, I could be mistaken. (and, I'm wrong a lot) However, I think Ramsay already had a group of men loyal to him and not his father and was able to use them to gather the men to his cause. Many of them likely thought Ramsay dead when Reek was killed in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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