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[Book Spoilers] The Bastard of Bolton confirmed

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I don't think David and Dan are afraid to push the envelope and do it. It's not like you have to show the skin peeling off. Just Ramsay prepping the flaying knife and Theon freaking out. Ramsay creeps me out in the books, he has to be a horror movie esque villain in the show and to do that you show what he does to Theon. You also see Theons demise into insanity. Creepy? For sure. Great drama? Yessir.

There is a difference between a well regarded HBO drama and torture porn movies like Saw, Hostel and The Human Centipede.

I'd be surprised if I was wrong, but I don't think we'll have the Reek who is really Ramsay betrayal storyline, though there could be somebody else who betrays Theon. Since the show has a limited budget, I don't think they'd cast a whole new actor for a few scenes in episode 10 and then hold them over for all of season 3 and 4 so they can show Ramsay torturing hapless Theon. That can be better, and more cheaply, accomplished through some flashbacks when Reek/Theon appears when they start filming ADWD storylines.

They could introduce a Reek as Ramsay's sidekick and have him die when Ramsay turns on Theon, then as punishment for Theon, Ramsay makes Theon replace his original Reek.

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The series will never do flashbacks, too cheasy and out of tune... and the obvious choice to introduce the fans-long awaited Ramsay and keep contract with Alfie Allen is to show those scenes in next season!

And it will be a good thing, it will be amazing on screen and create another villain to take the place of Joffrey!

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@Bastard of Bolton, that would be insane if Theons last scene shows Ramsey taking off his helm and it's Cillian Murphy, I think book readers will crap themselves haha.

Cillian Murphy is an amazing candidate for this role. He's perfect as Ramsay, and already did his share of deranged sociopathic villains (e.g. Scarecrow).

Some may say that Rams ought to have a more "fleshy" physique, but IMO this show will badly need a handsome villain once Joff's done for. The more important part of Ramsay's character is that he represents the temptation of evil - e.g. actively "seducing" Theon to kill the miller's boys and all-around being successful with his evil plots - well, Murphy's ideal for that.

What I hope they won't do is portray Ramsay as a one-note, cliche, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic whose only interest is flaying people. Ramsay is much more than that.

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@Bastard of Bolton, that would be insane if Theons last scene shows Ramsey taking off his helm and it's Cillian Murphy, I think book readers will crap themselves haha.

Honestly, if this happens... I just... words cannot express how unutterably awesome this would be.

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There is a difference between a well regarded HBO drama and torture porn movies like Saw, Hostel and The Human Centipede.

I'd be surprised if I was wrong, but I don't think we'll have the Reek who is really Ramsay betrayal storyline, though there could be somebody else who betrays Theon. Since the show has a limited budget, I don't think they'd cast a whole new actor for a few scenes in episode 10 and then hold them over for all of season 3 and 4 so they can show Ramsay torturing hapless Theon. That can be better, and more cheaply, accomplished through some flashbacks when Reek/Theon appears when they start filming ADWD storylines.

They could introduce a Reek as Ramsay's sidekick and have him die when Ramsay turns on Theon, then as punishment for Theon, Ramsay makes Theon replace his original Reek.

To your first point - see my previous post about flaying being shown on Dexter, which is also a well regarded drama.

To your second point - It's either introduce Ramsay soon and have a few scenes of him torturing Theon over the course of seasons 3 and 4, or cut Theon out of the show entirely for the next two seasons. Which do you really think is more likely? That they'll cast an actor as Ramsay now and give him a limited role for two seasons (similar to Jaime this season or Theon last season) or take an actor who has just given one of the most compelling performances on their show and completely get rid of him for two seasons?

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I'm convinced it's Dagmer.

Just listen to his voice. It's super creeeeepy! He's gonna rock out the Ramsey role.

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That's ridiculous, Vico.

Why? Because a woman can't be the bastard son of Roose Bolton? Sexist much?

I'm not sure how you can read these books or follow this board without realizing the ultimate secret of ASOIAF:

Roose + Littlefinger = Jeyne Westerling.

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I'm convinced it's Dagmer.

Just listen to his voice. It's super creeeeepy! He's gonna rock out the Ramsey role.

He would make a good Ramsay, if I could get over the obvious fact that he looks older than Roose. (It wouldn't bother me so much, Ramsay's done some hard living, Roose spends his days reading and leeching, mostly. And practicing the right of first night sounds like something Roose would have tried when he was quite young) But imagine how confusing it would be for non-book readers to have Roose mean this borderline 50 year old when he says "my boy."

What I hope they won't do is portray Ramsay as a one-note, cliche, frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic whose only interest is flaying people. Ramsay is much more than that.

He also likes raping them. I'm as big a Bolton fanboy as anyone, but the dude has expressed roughly two emotions the entire time we've seen him. To be sure, he's cunning and unpredictable, but giving him the Jaime Lannister humanizing treatment would be ridiculous. Sometimes a mad-dog is just a mad-dog.

I'm excited to see what they do with Ramsay, though I'm dreading the fact that he probably is not making an appearance this season. I really have no preferences on how they introduce the character. They could invent an entire subplot to get him involved, as long as his emotional impact is effective.

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To your first point - see my previous post about flaying being shown on Dexter, which is also a well regarded drama.

To your second point - It's either introduce Ramsay soon and have a few scenes of him torturing Theon over the course of seasons 3 and 4, or cut Theon out of the show entirely for the next two seasons. Which do you really think is more likely? That they'll cast an actor as Ramsay now and give him a limited role for two seasons (similar to Jaime this season or Theon last season) or take an actor who has just given one of the most compelling performances on their show and completely get rid of him for two seasons?

Dexter is Showtime, though, not HBO.

Also, there is a difference between giving somebody a limited role for just one season (like Jamie) or an emerging role for one season (like Theon) than to have them be an emerging villain for two or more seasons.

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The series will never do flashbacks, too cheasy and out of tune... and the obvious choice to introduce the fans-long awaited Ramsay and keep contract with Alfie Allen is to show those scenes in next season!

And it will be a good thing, it will be amazing on screen and create another villain to take the place of Joffrey!

So, if they don't do flashbacks, they can just do it via sexposition like they normally do - Roz can end up at the Dreadfort.

And, Joff should be around until the Purple Wedding in season 4, so they won't really need a new villain until after that. Though, they have Cersei and Hizdahr zo Loraq for villains as well.

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Dexter is Showtime, though, not HBO.

Also, there is a difference between giving somebody a limited role for just one season (like Jamie) or an emerging role for one season (like Theon) than to have them be an emerging villain for two or more seasons.

I'm not really sure why you say that. Can you elaborate? And do you really think we're just going to be Theon-less for two seasons?

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He would make a good Ramsay, if I could get over the obvious fact that he looks older than Roose. (It wouldn't bother me so much, Ramsay's done some hard living, Roose spends his days reading and leeching, mostly. And practicing the right of first night sounds like something Roose would have tried when he was quite young) But imagine how confusing it would be for non-book readers to have Roose mean this borderline 50 year old when he says "my boy."

If they'd wanted to do this, they could have had Ramsay be Roose's bastard brother not son.

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Can I finally say "Suck it!" to everyone that kept insisting that Roose was going to be sent north and Tywin had replaced him at Harrenhal?

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NO! Dagmer is not Ramsay! Could it be any more frickin' obvious that he isn't?

People are mistaking the "Reek" role for the Ramsay one. All Ramsay did under Reek's guise was egg Theon on with one or two of his schemes, playing the devil on his shoulder. This wasn't for any real purpose other than earning his trust and, well... because he's evil.

Dagmer is egging Theon on too, but for a very clear (and very different) reason: to earn him respect in the eyes of their fellow Ironborn, whose culture is all about brutality and "paying the iron price." That's probably going to be Dagmer's motivation when he encourages Theon's ruthlessness, and that's why Theon will give into it. His desperate quest for acceptance and respect is Theon's defining character trait.

Dagmer taking over Reek's role doesn't need to overlap with any link to the Bastard of Bolton. I actually think Dagmer will be one of "Red Helm's" first victims.

Well... think of it this way: "Reek" may be cut, but Ramsay Snow, the Bastard of Bolton and current castellan of the Dreadfort, is not. Dagmer is merely taking on aspects of "Reek's" role, but for entirely different reasons.

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NO! Dagmer is not Ramsay! Could it be any more frickin' obvious that he isn't?

No.

But fans like their theories. See the speculation that Ros will take Jeyne Poole's role as fake Arya - the actress that plays Ros is roughly twice the age of the actress that plays Arya.

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Damger is egging Theon on, but for a very clear reason: to earn him respect in the eyes of their fellow Ironborn. That's probably going to be Dagmer's motivation when he encourages Theon's ruthlessness, and that's why Theon will give into it. His desperate quest for acceptance and respect is Theon's defining character trait.

Dagmer doesn't seem to care about Theon's success at all. He almost seems to be egging him on to mock him. Perhaps he hopes to take control when Theon gets himself killed with incompetence. Perhaps he's working for Yara to humiliate Theon so she can keep her place as heir.

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Dagmer doesn't seem to care about Theon's success at all. He almost seems to be egging him on to mock him. Perhaps he hopes to take control when Theon gets himself killed with incompetence. Perhaps he's working for Yara to humiliate Theon so she can keep her place as heir.

:agree: Thats a great comment mate

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