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[Book spoilers] Rickon's companions

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I agree that Rickon's part in the story still remains a mystery, but Martin wouldn't write it in that he's taken away to Skagos by Osha if there was no reason for him to be alive anymore. It would make no sense for the producers to have Rickon killed off if in fact he does play an important role later on in the books we haven't yet read.

I'm with most others who think the Reeds are going to make a belated appearance in Season 3. They'll meet up along the road somewhere, having been sent by their Dad when he found out Winterfell was taken, but before Theon has done the switch out with the Miller's sons after being unable to find Bran and Rickon's trail of escape.

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As I mentioned before, the simplest way for the series is to have Osha lead Bran to Coldhand at the wall, leave Bran with him (it?) and go to (most likely) Skaagos with Rickon. I don't need Jojen in the show, I don't like that character too much, it just doesn't fit for me.

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The guy who plays Maester Luwin is awesome. Perfect example of a character who is better on the show than in the books. But having him die as a result of the destruction of Winterfell is really powerful and would be a strong note to end Season 2, especially if they keep to the book and have the kids hiding in the crypts. I would really love if Luwin could stay in the show but who else can they kill at Winterfell who viewers have a strong emotional tie to?

Since they're splitting ASOS into 2 seasons, there will be room for Jojen and Meera.

I am one of those who are emotionally tied to Luwin in the show. I was so so hoping he would be leaving with Bran and Rickon.. or taking Rickon at least while Bran heads north.. sigh.. looking at next weeks preview just makes me :( .

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I really hope they still go hide in the crypts, because them coming out and seeing Winterfell ruined will be emotionally more powerful than just us seeing it.

That means some other adult could still join them (Luwin?) to have an adult with each group when they split up. The other theory I've seen, of Osha taking Bran and Rickon to the Wall, Coldhands taking over Bran to take him beyond the Wall and Osha going with Rickon to Skaagos is plausible as well.

Meeting up with the Reeds later is also possible, they may have been sent by Howland Reed after the news about Winterfell (however, why would he send his 2 children into a definite warzone, but not send men to help free Winterfell/keep his own Children safe?). I must say, after my initial disappointment about not seeing the Reeds (just a 'hey, that's not how it is in the books' reaction, I don't especially like the Reeds), I've gotten used to them not being there and I like the interaction of Osha with Bran, so I may even be a little disappointed if the Reeds do show up :)

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I really hope they still go hide in the crypts, because them coming out and seeing Winterfell ruined will be emotionally more powerful than just us seeing it.

That means some other adult could still join them (Luwin?) to have an adult with each group when they split up. The other theory I've seen, of Osha taking Bran and Rickon to the Wall, Coldhands taking over Bran to take him beyond the Wall and Osha going with Rickon to Skaagos is plausible as well.

Meeting up with the Reeds later is also possible, they may have been sent by Howland Reed after the news about Winterfell (however, why would he send his 2 children into a definite warzone, but not send men to help free Winterfell/keep his own Children safe?). I must say, after my initial disappointment about not seeing the Reeds (just a 'hey, that's not how it is in the books' reaction, I don't especially like the Reeds), I've gotten used to them not being there and I like the interaction of Osha with Bran, so I may even be a little disappointed if the Reeds do show up :)

Perhaps Howland sends a few hundred men to take back Winterfell, and Ramsay destroy them, with the Reed siblings being survivors of that battle and later join up with Bran's crew. Although, as you said, why would he send the children along with the army?

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I think they head north, because of Bran's dreams of the three eyed raven and Osha knowing he has to get there. I still think that Rickon and Osha or someone will end up on Skagos because the Davos/Onion Knight story will have him going in search of Rickon (hopefully book 6). And one or both of the Reeds will be met along the way north to travel with Bran and Hodor.

But we will have to wait and see. I like these deviations from the books because it gives those of us who have read the books surprises to look forward to.

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We've heard that GRRM is giving Osha a bigger role to play because he liked her character in the HBO series. I wonder how much freedom this allows D & D to play with her role (i.e. have her lead Bran to Bloodraven rather than end up in Skagos with Rickon), knowing that GRRM might be "moving the goalpost" of how important she ends up being?

They'll likely need to be careful that they don't place her in some scenario where she can't fulfill whatever role George has planned for her.

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They could make some reason for them to be there. They would have seemed weird no matter how they were introduced (if they introduce them). My theory is that they would meet them beyond the wall. They would make more sense if they were wildlings, maybe moved from the south of the wall years ago, then if they were these wierd people south of the wall.

They would hear of Winterfell's distress and perhaps come to help. Jojen may have had green dreams telling him where to find Bran and Rickon.

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I had a thought following this episode as they were walking off into the woods at the end minus any other adults. We’re all assuming that they’re all going to be going north either now, or that they’re going to do as in the books and go hide in the crypts until Winterfell is razed by Ramsey and then head north.

But why are we assuming they’re going North?

Thus far, Bran has not made any mention of going north, nor has anyone else. Osha obviously has no desire to go that way, and they thus far have so reason to go that way, so why in the hell would they? Wouldn’t it make more since for them at this point to try and go south to meet up with Robb?

My new theory is this, and will probably be proven in the next couple episodes (unless they all go into hiding off camera until S3.)

If they go North: They’re probably going to deviate from the books somehow and we most likely won’t see the Reeds (unless they're waiting at Queenscrown or something.)

If they go South: They’ll run into the Reeds, probably outside Moat Cailin at the Neck, or possibly sooner, at which point they will split up and head back north as normal in two parties.

I’m about 60% sure it's going to be option B, because it’s an entirely logical way to delay meeting the Reeds until season 3 by adding in a completely reasonable detour the allows them to meet naturally.

Why do they need to meet the Reeds? Osha has already explained away almost their entire purpose for Bran.

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Why do they need to meet the Reeds? Osha has already explained away almost their entire purpose for Bran.

I think the problem we run into is that we don't know how important Osha's role in Skagos is. If D & D place her with Bran and Bloodraven, who fills her role with Rickon? It's likely that her knowledge of wildlings and the north was essential to RIckon's staying alive on Skagos.

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I'm absolutely sure she is crucial to his survival there.

There's no reason for her to go with Bran past the wall. They split there. Sam is perfectly capable of getting Bran and Hodor through the wall and into Coldhands escort while Osha and Rickon say their goodbyes and go on to Skagos.

No need for Luwin to live, no need for the Reeds.

I love Brans portion of the story in the books...but as crowded as this story is going to get with Greyjoys and Martells, Dany finally getting stuff to do (besides yell about taking stuff once an episode), wildlings, Stannis, battles at the wall, Red Wedding, Jaime and Brienne and on and on and on...do we really want them wasting huge chunks of the season on the same (for the most part) redundant buildup of Bran getting to his destination and being cold with the Reeds? There's way more entertaining things to be focusing on for a TV series w/ limited time and a soon to come explosion of new characters.

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It makes much more sense for them to go south; The more I think about this the better the idea is. Osha would never council them to go north having fled south of the wall herself and the King of the North still rules the Riverlands at this point. Perhaps they meet the Reeds in White Harbor and save the need for Wex (who so far looks to be cut from the story)?

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There is no need to include the Reeds unless they have some important role to play after aDwD. Bran is already having the green dreams and Osha knows what they are, so that leaves out Jojen. Meera was mainly for exposition. The Reeds told us about the ToJ, green men, island of faces, Knight of the laughing tree, and some history. The show has already skipped the ToJ, and there is no reason to drop all the other hints during one scene in season 2. TV doesn't work the same way as books.. you can't discuss something in one scene during season 2, planning to reveal the outcome in season 8.

If we've learned anything from the Arya storyline, it's that journeys can be severely contracted. Arya went from leaving KL, one scene in the wilderness with the gold cloaks, the fight with Lorch's men, and then straight to Harrenhall. Even though we were introduced to Hot Pie and Lommy, we never learned any of their back story and non readers barely know who they are.

Bran could make it to Bloodraven in 4 scenes... leave Winterfell and head to the wall... meet Sam at wall.... meet Coldhands... go from wall to Bloodraven... no need for the Reeds. Even if the Reeds are included, I think people are going to be severely disappointed when we don't get all their stories and we don't learn any of their history (just like Hot Pie and Lommy).

It makes the most sense to keep Osha with Rickon and let Hodor and Bran travel alone until they meet Sam/Coldhands/Bloodraven. They've set it up so that Osha doesn't want to go back north and I don't think she will. Bran and Rickon could easily split up as they leave Winterfell. The only thing that I question is how much the show runners like Osha and will we see many made up scenes with her and Rickon over the next few seasons.

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If the Reeds are out, and it really wouldn't bother me if they are, I think it makes the most sense if Bran dreams of going North, they all head north, and when they meet with Sam and Coldhands, Osha (who didn't want to cross the Wall anyway; and maybe has a line when they first set out saying she won't) and Rickon can peel off towards Skagos. It's not like there's going to be tons of Bran time that needs to be filled with dialog; we'll probably only see him a little more than we have Jamie Lannister this season until he reaches Bloodraven.

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I would be happy with Maester Luwin accompanying either of them. Just so he wouldn't have the same fate he has in the book.

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If the Reeds are out, and it really wouldn't bother me if they are, I think it makes the most sense if Bran dreams of going North, they all head north, and when they meet with Sam and Coldhands, Osha (who didn't want to cross the Wall anyway; and maybe has a line when they first set out saying she won't) and Rickon can peel off towards Skagos. It's not like there's going to be tons of Bran time that needs to be filled with dialog; we'll probably only see him a little more than we have Jamie Lannister this season until he reaches Bloodraven.

:agree:

I like the Reeds but this scenario makes sense.

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What if Bran learns to warg into Hodor soon enough? His crow dreams would point him up north, at least till he runs into Coldhands. He can be all warrior like through Hodor; also an UP for the guy who plays Hodor. Osha can then continue with Rickon to Skagos knowing Bran can fend for himself now. Though the producers/viewers love for Osha might keep her sticking to Bran.

But Osha/Rickon HAVE to go to Skagos. GRRM can't risk revealing his constructs for Rickon to producers so that they keep Rickon with Bran or kill him off. Readers won't like that happening, it would kill the curiosity behind Davos's deadly mission.

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But Osha/Rickon HAVE to go to Skagos. GRRM can't risk revealing his constructs for Rickon to producers so that they keep Rickon with Bran or kill him off. Readers won't like that happening, it would kill the curiosity behind Davos's deadly mission.

Unless, by the time the series catches up to the Davos mission, WoW is out. (A Woman can dream.....)

But it's a good point and I've mentioned before on another thread somewhere. If D&D DO know how this is ending, some of the plots and characters they are dropping/changing will certainly have a spoilerish impact on we the readers. This worries me more than anything.

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Unless, by the time the series catches up to the Davos mission, WoW is out. (A Woman can dream.....)

ROFL... Judging by GRRM's blog posts, he is in no hurry to finish WoW anytime soon, 2015 should be the year if I were to take a wild guess.

Maybe they will create Greywater Watch somewhere enroute Bran-Osha's way and drop Rickon in Howland Reed's nursery. That'll make Osha free to guide Bran up north :drunk:

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