harald hornwood Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Ive always assumed the mummers dragon meant Varys dragon instead of fake dragonvarys being the mummer and ageon the dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Arianne Martell Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Son's son and mummer's dragon not mummer dragon. Pretty sure it means Varys dragon considering the last line of Quaithes words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Trouble is. As others have said. Not enough serious evidence has been presented either way. I only know about the Blackfryes from the wiki and given the sheer lack of doubt Tyrion appears to show it just seemed to me like Martin was going. Heres this guy, accept it, move on. So either doubting his legitimacy is going to be a major part of his story later on or we're just meant to take this at face value. Aside from the prophecy of mummers dragon nothing really hints at illegit. Plus what would the end goal or value be in putting Aegon in?IMO its one of a few things1-He is a Blackfrye, Varys representing their interests in the hope of gaining their final revenge by getting one on the Iron Throne.2-Varys has been billed as the master of plots. Whose kept his ace in the hole secret this whole time. It would be ironic if his very secrecy back-fired because nobody would believe who Aegon is and won't side with him for this reason. This causes Aegon to be beaten or driven back like Stannis before Dany arrives. 3-So that Dany can have another horror moment at being the one to (arguably) kill another Targ in the series. Her paranoia makes her slaughter thousands of potential allies after they've secured KL and most of Westeros. I actually don't think this would be as interesting as it seems because she already saw her own brother melted and has no idea who this Aegon character did. Its also unlikely that they would actually speak to eachother which means the emotional impact wouldn't be there. It would more be like a massive blunder. Possibly appropriate to write a dark undertone to Danys return n make beating Others harder; but little else to it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinslash Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 besides, why would Martin create a character who's a fake dragon pretending to be a real dragon pretending to be a non-dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Ive always assumed the mummers dragon meant Varys dragon instead of fake dragonvarys being the mummer and ageon the dragonIt depends whether you take mummer's dragon to be a possesive phrase (the mummer owns the dragon) or descriptive (the dragon is fake, like a mummer's tears, which are crocodile tears). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Joe the Unknighted Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 The Martels do have blood of the Dragon though. He wasn't lying the martels are descended from Dany's namesake, princess Danearys the younger sister of King Daeron II. The marraige was arranged by King Baelor the blessed while prince Daeron was wed to the princess of Dorne. The mummer's dragon has to be Aegon, either meaning he is not really a Targ, or that he is one, but controlled by Varys the mummer, or it could mean both. Lion and dark flame and kraken and griffen all only apply to one person. No matter what Aegon or young grif is not a griffen, Lord Jon would know if he was his own son, and Quentyn is not the Mummer's dragon, he's not claiming to be an heir he's simply stating that he is a descendant from Dragons.The thing that should be debated is who is the perfumed seneschal, is it the ship, the steward who dany thinks it means, or does it refer to Varys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_ba Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 If he is the son of Illyrio and Serra, Illyrio is probably a Blackfyre, I think he paints his hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What Is Dead Already Died Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Serra not Illyrio is suppose to be the blackfyre i thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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