Silmarien Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Cmon people they were like brothers not gay lovers.Are you sure? Would you describe your best friend as "muscled like a maiden's fancy"? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Really? We're not the ones desperately overcompensating for our faltering sense of heteronormative sexuality by having a continual series of bastards born as a result of drunken sex to shore up our fragile sense of sexual identity unlike a certain King we could be mentioning here.Gay is like 1% of earths population or less, i imagine in medieval times something like 0,01%.You can only have a number of gay characters in a fantasy seriesRenly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 If Robert had said Eddard intstead of Lyanna on his wedding night when he was on top of Cersei I might buy this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmarien Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Gay is like 1% of earths population or less, i imagine in medieval times something like 0,01%.You can only have a number of gay characters in a fantasy seriesRenly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too muchHmm, that's not even true. More like 10%, and it has NOT changed since the Middle Ages, though bisexual relationships were more common. There were quite a few notable gay Kings, after all. Yes they still had children and wives for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Gay is like 1% of earths population or less, i imagine in medieval times something like 0,01%.You can only have a number of gay characters in a fantasy seriesRenly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too muchThank you for this hilarious sequence of misconceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 B.S. you guys are reading way to into this.Being blind to their love doesn't make it not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hmm, the real reason why Robert wanted to marry Lyanna - so him and Ned could better hide their passionate love?Never forget how Ned talked up Robert to Lyanna as well. Why would he do that if he didn't truly believe it? Sure, his pretext was to talk Lyanna into marrying Bob so Ned could be closer to him, but he really just spoke his heart's desire!Renly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too muchOh yes, all eunuch's are gay, because "eunuch" secretly actually means "gay". You heard it here first people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Didn't Robert practically ask Ned to run away with him and go adventuring in Essos. Also remember when the King's escort first arrived in Winterfell the very first thing Robert asks demands is for him and Ned to go and "pay their respects" alone in the crpyt. Sounds almost exactly like the way that Jaime was so deparate to have sex with Cersie after being reunited with her after their long separation.This is also the reason why Robert gave Renly Storm's End, because he sympathized with his younger brother goign through the same forbidden desires, and why both Robert and Renly resented Stannis who's up tight consvervative nature caused him to look down on both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 ...You can only have a number of gay characters in a fantasy seriesRenly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too mucheh? Varys is gay? Sexuality in fantasy novels is determined by a quota system?Never forget how Ned talked up Robert to Lyanna as well. Why would he do that if he didn't truly believe it? Sure, his pretext was to talk Lyanna into marrying Bob so Ned could be closer to him, but he really just spoke his heart's desire!...yes you can imagine the conversation:Ned: Oh Lyanna! You've got to marry Bobby Baratheon...he's muscled all over like a maiden's fantasy **dreamy sigh**Lyanna: Ned...why are you blushing like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 ...This is also the reason why Robert gave Renly Storm's End, because he sympathized with his younger brother goign through the same forbidden desires, and why both Robert and Renly resented Stannis who's up tight consvervative nature caused him to look down on both of them.hmm, interesting. But then Stannis going to his marriage bed as a duty, married to a woman with a moustache, his jealousy of Renly, the crackle of sexual tension in the pages when he is with Davos...isn't he denying something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Gay is like 1% of earths population or less, i imagine in medieval times something like 0,01%.You can only have a number of gay characters in a fantasy seriesRenly-Loras, JonCon, Cobray and Varys is already too muchI actuslly agree with you think its around 2% of the poulation in this day in age. It might have been much more common in Roman times and Greek times. I'm unsure how the Chinese and japanese veiw homosexuality historically or the various African cultures. Open homosexuality was tolerated in Europe til the 11th or 12th century I beleive til the culture turned against it for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silmarien Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 hmm, interesting. But then Stannis going to his marriage bed as a duty, married to a woman with a moustache, his jealousy of Renly, the crackle of sexual tension in the pages when he is with Davos...isn't he denying something?Ah, I think you just discovered something here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Hmm, that's not even true. More like 10%, and it has NOT changed since the Middle Ages, though bisexual relationships were more common. There were quite a few notable gay Kings, after all. Yes they still had children and wives for the most part.10% :bang: are you kidding me, you say that 1 in the 10 people you see waliking in the street is gay?it is like saying 1 in each football team is gay, or that each family has a gay member. I dont know what is happening in your country but this is just stupid. The Media is just trying to prove that being gay is common, with all the movies and the TV series but that is not the case.Think about your classmates. 30 students, did 3 of them turned out gay???And im just talking for western countries, dont even get me started on India or Africa. Even 1% gay in India, 10,000,000 people. I dont think soAlso of course in the past there were fewer gays, i dont think it was common and it was a society taboo. So no way even 1% of medieval population is guy. Imagine the 20,000 men of Robbs army are 2000 of them guy, seriously? :devil:please anwer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kittykatknits Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 If Robert had said Eddard intstead of Lyanna on his wedding night when he was on top of Cersei I might buy this theory.How do you know he didn't? It's already been established that Cersei is an unreliable narrator so I'd take everything she says with a grain of salt. She probably blocked it from her memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyanna Stark Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 hmm, interesting. But then Stannis going to his marriage bed as a duty, married to a woman with a moustache, his jealousy of Renly, the crackle of sexual tension in the pages when he is with Davos...isn't he denying something?Absolutely. Plus Mel doesn't actually do anything really untowards when it comes to Davos either, which begs the question whether or not Stannis has not convinced her that Davos will be joining them in shadowbaby making aaaaany time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarl the climber Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Being homosexual is not taboo in Westeros, its more like don't ask don't tell. A person is just required to be discreet. And it was not taboo in the early medieval period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 Think about your classmates. 30 students, did 3 of them turned out gay???Um . . .yeah dude,I know at least 3 people from my high school grade who are now openly gay, and most of my friends who went to different schools all know several gay people. The only reason that it ever seemed such a rarity was because of the social stigma, now that it is accepted people freely admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 oh, so Stannis is gay too.Maybe Jaime, Doran, Robb are gay. Im sure if you dig in the pages you can find many 'proofs' and 'evidence' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lummel Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 ...Imagine the 20,000 men of Robbs army are 2000 of them guy, seriously?...And? Do you think that if you prefer to sleep with men rather than women that it has any bearing on how well you can fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toccs Posted June 12, 2012 Share Posted June 12, 2012 hmm, interesting. But then Stannis going to his marriage bed as a duty, married to a woman with a moustache, his jealousy of Renly, the crackle of sexual tension in the pages when he is with Davos...isn't he denying something?Absolutely. Plus Mel doesn't actually do anything really untowards when it comes to Davos either, which begs the question whether or not Stannis has not convinced her that Davos will be joining them in shadowbaby making aaaaany time soon.Agreed, Stannis is clearly repressing his desires. Also isn't teeth grinding a classic freudian example of repressed homosexuality. Clearly Stannis' repressed desires manifest in the form of his ultra consverative attitude and why he heaps scorn on Robert and Renly who both embrace their sexuality and have happily found their true loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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