assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If you dont mind, run the Theon Durden theory by me. Havent heard that one.Basically that the hooded man is Theon himself, a facet of his split personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodymime Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Theon was a ward of Winterfell for 10 years, if he didn't recognize the Glovers from Robb's war then he might remember them from visits to Winterfell.I think the point he is making is Theon is whacked out of his gourd. He doesn't remember the Walders and then even when he does he freaks out wondering if they're the ancestors of the Walders he knew. He also doesn't recognize Whoresbane and Karstark despite Whoresbane knowing him and Karstark as well after some prompting. He even knew him enough to know he's a smiler yet Theon doesn't know either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Killdragon Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Jaqen H'Gar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honor is a Horse Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I think the point he is making is Theon is whacked out of his gourd. He doesn't remember the Walders and then even when he does he freaks out wondering if they're the ancestors of the Walders he knew. He also doesn't recognize Whoresbane and Karstark despite Whoresbane knowing him and Karstark as well after some prompting. He even knew him enough to know he's a smiler yet Theon doesn't know either one.The point I was trying to make is that while he might not recognize him from the brief time he looked at him but there could at least be enough of a flicker of recognition which should keep from automatically excluding any northern lords such as the Glovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Jaqen H'GarStill at the Citadel in Oldtown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodymime Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The point I was trying to make is that while he might not recognize him from the brief time he looked at him but there could at least be enough of a flicker of recognition which should keep from automatically excluding any northern lords such as the Glovers.Could be, could be all kinds of things. Despite the fact that people want to think Martin wouldn't use such a 'cheap trick'(not my words) to make it a mystery the fact is he writes it deliberatly vague. There's enough light for them to make eye contact yet no description of even something as simple as height. Is he taller than Theon, is he shorter? Don't know, only things we do know is he has a face, he has eyes, he has a hand, he has a dagger. He knows the common tongue and he can laugh. He despises Theon yet doesn't care enough to do anything about it.While I don't subscribe to it being Theon himself the whole scene does keep making me think of the poem Antigonish. Specifically that line 'he came upon a man' and ending with Theon just suddenly being alone again trudging through the snow.And I have to be honest it's mainly because I don't like Theon and hope his only part left is Northerners using his guts for christmas tree decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Theon was a ward of Winterfell for 10 years, if he didn't recognize the Glovers from Robb's war then he might remember them from visits to Winterfell.He didnt recognize 2 other lords at the dreadfort, per my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Basically that the hooded man is Theon himself, a facet of his split personality.Gotcha, thats the one i specifically disagree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liar Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The hooded man is GRRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous Ali Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Right now, I think:1. Theon Durden2. A ghost from the crypts that is set free by taking the sword from its grave3. Robett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StumpKnight Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would Benjen really do that? Would he desert NW to come to Winterfell after so many of his sworn brothers died just for searching for him? Plus he has been away for a long time, I'd rather see him come to castle black with some extra-valuable info about the Others or become one of them. The Stark in Winterfell idea always seems to me just like a saying, nothing of importance. Is there any evidence that suggests it's Benjen?Benjen Stark = Coldhands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolorous Ali Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Benjen Stark = Coldhands?Well there's this thing that coldhands has been dead for many years and he speaks the old tongue. Benjen has recently died and I don't think he speaks the old tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Elvin of Clymer Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I don't think we should consider Theon a reliable POV (even though I'm not a Theon as HM guy, I do think its plausible because Theon is only partial there now)and I don't think the HM section actually tells us wether Theon recognizes him or not, it feels vague (deliberately for me) and Theon doesn't really say anything for or against knowing who the HM is. Very, limited description - comparatively to others in the same chapter non-descriptive.He debates wether he could be the killer and he shows him the stumps on his hand and both things implied recognition, for me, but w/ no confirmation of actual recognition.People have floated that out as being because it is Theon himself, Ghosts from the crypt, someone Theon believes is a ghost because he thinks he is dead already (Robett and other of Robb's men could fit in this cat.), outsider Northmen, Bolton's men, Hal Mollen, Robett or Galbert, etc. or - no one important too (but GRRM describes these people generally too)I just think its a story thing, like the recognition of HM will give away whatever plot is being brewed behind the Bolton's, and it was unnecessary to Theon and creates more mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 You know the problem with the "Theon Durden" theory is that he split himself after severe torture into Theon and Reek. However I don't think I read about him halucinating, he calls himself Reek out of fear and realizes he's Reek. He doesn't see himself out of his own body. So why would he suddenly (and for the first time I might add) see a hooded man in his imagination? We don't read about the Hooded Man before that POV chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulled Wino Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 You know the problem with the "Theon Durden" theory is that he split himself after severe torture into Theon and Reek. However I don't think I read about him halucinating, he calls himself Reek out of fear and realizes he's Reek. He doesn't see himself out of his own body. So why would he suddenly (and for the first time I might add) see a hooded man in his imagination? We don't read about the Hooded Man before that POV chapter.Amongst many other things. I agree though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Martin Posted July 6, 2012 Author Share Posted July 6, 2012 I guess I'll throw out another suggestion.In AFFC, after Jaime takes Riverrun he sends Desmond Grell and Robin Rygar north to the Wall. Could it be either one of these two?I like those two better than the Blackfish only b/c the Blackfish told Jaime he was sworn to defend Robb's Queen. I expect he is planning to attack the caravan bringing Jeyne Westerling back to Lannisport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scurvy Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 spoilerIt would seem pretty clear from the WoW Theon chapter that it's Mors Umber or some other Umber. I can't recall now if Whorsebane in the Greathall or not, but only the Hooded Main and subsequently Crowfood in WoW refer to Theon as Kinslayer. Nobody else does. It would seem to be something that the Umbers have pegged him with, but it hasn't stuck else while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohed Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Wasnt there sqauters at Winterfell when bolton shows up? they where put to death after building i beleave, but they would be scouts, in which the leader hid.ie.brothers without baners - cat send a party to seek out remains of winterfellmountain clansi cant think of any else on the top of my head, but that may hold some key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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