Jolene Brown Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 To me, Brienne and Ned are both honorable, but not naive. Their POVs show that they are often well aware that people they are dealing with are not trustworthy. Brienne never trusted her suitors at Highgarden, nor does she trust Dick Crabb (I'm still not sure his intentions were altogether pure, although his death was sad). She even thinks about Septon Meribald suspiciously for a moment, in terms of his knowledge of the back roads in the Riverlands, and how that would be helpful knowledge for an outlaw to have. Similarly, Ned knows the south is a den of snakes, he doesn't trust Cercei, and his big mistake - trusting Littlefinger - is predicated on the idea that this is a childhood friend of his beloved wife. However, Ned is just not capable of taking the actions that a less honorable person would to deal with those circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Sister Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Arys Oakheart. I don't see Viserys as naive at all. I think there's a reason why his name is so similar to 'vicious'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kg1982 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 All the Stark children at least at the beginning. I just think Jon, Arya, and Bran get away with it more than Sansa because it is "boy stories" vs. Disney princesses. I think that Jon and Sansa is a pretty apt comparison - military histories vs. ballads. Jon continues to admire Daeron I even up to ADWD despite the fact that he was a reckless adventurer. Jon has a desire to die in battle saving the realm, which is similar to Sansa's desire to dance off into the realm and marry Prince Charming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Pudding Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I'd say Quentyn, Ned and JonCon.JonCon because of trusting Varys too muchNed because of what he did in GoTQuentyn because of this marriage pact (but maybe I'm being too harsh with him, it was kind of Doran's fault) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Sansa has my vote. So much has happened and she hasnt learned much. Tommen would be except he grew up under Joffrey's bullying and cruelty and his mother's manipulations. Ned at least knew he was an idiot and out of his league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBean Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ned, because he's a grown man and should really have known better than to go warn Cersei. *shakes head sadly* Ned you poor naive fool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Theon Quentyn the Dragontamer Daenerys Jaime - he learned, but I still think that despite everything there is a lot of green boy in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerStinger Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Arianne (but she learned) and the Sandsnakes (who haven't learned). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowan Stark Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I wouldn't say Ned was naive, just to honorable for his own good, if he'd had taken Renly's offer he and his family would probably still be alive now.Most naive for me is definitely Sansa, although I do think she's learned now.. only took the slaughter of her family and being used as a verbal and physical punch bag to learn the worlds most definitely not like the songs.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Who are the most naive? Sansa - She did spill the beans and ratted out her family's plans to sneak out of KL. Bottom line is, she's just incredibly dumb.Maybe you can throw Ned on the list. It is hard to say with him. Theon is pretty dumb, but not really naive. Theon is really more of a fuckup rather than someone who lacked information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siziel Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I think is not fair to consider Children like Tommen or Sansa (in the first book) on the same level of adults or older guys.for me the #1 pick is Quentyn,#2 is Jon, he has been naive more then once in his life.Many of you mentioned Ned, for me Ned was not Naive, he knew the risk but wanted to go through the storm his way, anyway.Janos Slynt has been naive.and Cersei, she is definitely naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Stark Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 At the beginning - Sansa. Hurts me to say it. Oh, and Ned, sad to say. I'm still wondering why he thought Cersei would listen to him.At the end: Quentyn was kinda naive (Taming a dragon, really, Quentyn?). And Cersei. Really, what she did and didn't do in AFFC still surprises me. Plus, the Freys. They are naive. Winter is coming and the North Remembers, bitches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skahaz mo Kandaq Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I think is not fair to consider Children like Tommen or Sansa (in the first book) on the same level of adults or older guys.You won me over with your point on Tommen. At his age, yeah, I see that. In my humble opinion, Sansa still belongs on that list though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siziel Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 In my humble opinion, Sansa still belongs on that list though.I can't say you are wrong, I've only got the impression that she went throgh too many things.. She MUST have learned something.Reading her last chapters I just had the feeling the she was a little bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Sansa Stark Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Sansa was only naive in AGOT. Afterwards she gets disillusioned by each chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis92 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Theon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A... Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Ned, without question Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Paramount of Essos Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 theon Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter's Knight Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Danerys-good grief girl, didn't you learn anything from MMD? Priestesses don't like it when you attack their city and their advice is not to be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Jack Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Merrett Freyeverything he dose is naive catching a pox, getting branded with the fawn, you could argue he was naive in battle getting the mace to the head. Trying to get the great Jon drunk drink for drink, getting himself hanged and thinking it would have gotten his fathers respect. For such a bit part character that is a long list of mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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