A Thread for Small Questions XX

[EgoistMusketeer]

It was mentioned in another thread that GRRM had made a statement about it and rather than veer the thread off topic I added the question here, it turns out that GRRM's response was "keep reading".

ADWD points to yes, although we don't know the extent of it (some flaying, complete dismemberment, etc)

[kissdbyfire]

It was mentioned in another thread that GRRM had made a statement about it and rather than veer the thread off topic I added the question here, it turns out that GRRM's response was "keep reading".

ADWD points to yes, although we don't know the extent of it (some flaying, complete dismemberment, etc)

Are you sure that's not part of the question?

[rmholt]

Yes, he does.

"At Queenscrown, one had come out of the darkness to save Jon’s life. Summer, it had to be. His fur was grey, and Shaggydog is black. He wondered if some part of his dead brothers lived on inside their wolves."

Thank you

[Booknerd2]

My question is about Wylla. Now, I know that she was rumored to be Jon Snow's mother and/or his wetnurse. Even Edric Dayne tells Arya that Jon is his milk brother due to Wylla having nursed both of them at different times.

I believe in R&L=J, I am just looking at this through the eyes of the characters that heard the Ned&Wylla rumors.

I guess I am thinking of logistics. Why or how would Ned be able to get involved with someone working for House Dayne? Jon supposedly stayed at Starfall and was nursed there or Wylla was supposedly on the road with Ned and Jon was nursed? What was the option implied or that people believed happened? I am unclear on this.

Also, is it possible that it was implied that Wylla was someone who had a dalliiance with Ned before Jon was born and then entered service to House Dayne after this?

Did the Daynes have any other babies at the time that would require a wet nurse to be employed before Jon was born anyway, or she was just working at something else and became a wet nurse?

I apologize. This is jumbled. I even checked the wiki. Some things don't make sense to me as far as Wylla being used as a cover. Probably why even other characters suggest other women as Jon Snow's potential mother for Ned to have gotten involved with like the fisherman's daughter or whatever.

I have only read the series once so I might be forgetting info or some info in the timeline was blurry and I am not aware of it.

It just doesn't make sense to me that someone in the service of House Dayne would be nursing Jon Snow because I don't believe she is Jon's mother, nor that Ned would have an affair with her.

I hope this came out the way I wanted to ask.

[corbon]

My question is about Wylla. Now, I know that she was rumored to be Jon Snow's mother and/or his wetnurse. Even Edric Dayne tells Arya that Jon is his milk brother due to Wylla having nursed both of them at different times.

I believe in R&L=J, I am just looking at this through the eyes of the characters that heard the Ned&Wylla rumors.

I guess I am thinking of logistics. Why or how would Ned be able to get involved with someone working for House Dayne? Jon supposedly stayed at Starfall and was nursed there or Wylla was supposedly on the road with Ned and Jon was nursed? What was the option implied or that people believed happened? I am unclear on this.

Also, is it possible that it was implied that Wylla was someone who had a dalliiance with Ned before Jon was born and then entered service to House Dayne after this?

Did the Daynes have any other babies at the time that would require a wet nurse to be employed before Jon was born anyway, or she was just working at something else and became a wet nurse?

I apologize. This is jumbled. I even checked the wiki. Some things don't make sense to me as far as Wylla being used as a cover. Probably why even other characters suggest other women as Jon Snow's potential mother for Ned to have gotten involved with like the fisherman's daughter or whatever.

I have only read the series once so I might be forgetting info or some info in the timeline was blurry and I am not aware of it.

It just doesn't make sense to me that someone in the service of House Dayne would be nursing Jon Snow because I don't believe she is Jon's mother, nor that Ned would have an affair with her.

I hope this came out the way I wanted to ask.

The probable answer is very simple. Lyanna would have had a wetnurse prepared for her upcoming birth. She was being guarded by Ser Arthur Dayne, and in locale relatively close to Dayne lands.

Ned leaves Starfall with a wetnurse for Jon (he must, how else will Jon nurse), who later returns to the service of the Daynes.

The logical answer is that Wylla was a Dayne-loyal wetnurse employed for Lyanna's baby and probably already at ToJ when Ned found Lyanna (that also explains the 'they' who found him with Lyanna dead in his arms, when only Howland Reed had survived the fight).

This explains everything.

The 'they' who found Ned and Lyanna.

How Ned got Jon from ToJ to Starfall.

How Ned got Jon from Starfall to Winterfell.

Why Robert thinks Wylla is Jon's mum.

Why Wylla returns to Starfall later and nurses Edric Dayne several years later.

[King Doug]

My question is about Wylla. Now, I know that she was rumored to be Jon Snow's mother and/or his wetnurse. Even Edric Dayne tells Arya that Jon is his milk brother due to Wylla having nursed both of them at different times.

I believe in R&L=J, I am just looking at this through the eyes of the characters that heard the Ned&Wylla rumors.

I guess I am thinking of logistics. Why or how would Ned be able to get involved with someone working for House Dayne? Jon supposedly stayed at Starfall and was nursed there or Wylla was supposedly on the road with Ned and Jon was nursed? What was the option implied or that people believed happened? I am unclear on this.

Also, is it possible that it was implied that Wylla was someone who had a dalliiance with Ned before Jon was born and then entered service to House Dayne after this?

Did the Daynes have any other babies at the time that would require a wet nurse to be employed before Jon was born anyway, or she was just working at something else and became a wet nurse?

I apologize. This is jumbled. I even checked the wiki. Some things don't make sense to me as far as Wylla being used as a cover. Probably why even other characters suggest other women as Jon Snow's potential mother for Ned to have gotten involved with like the fisherman's daughter or whatever.

I have only read the series once so I might be forgetting info or some info in the timeline was blurry and I am not aware of it.

It just doesn't make sense to me that someone in the service of House Dayne would be nursing Jon Snow because I don't believe she is Jon's mother, nor that Ned would have an affair with her.

I hope this came out the way I wanted to ask.

Corbon answered you very well, but I thought I would add that the Starks first became introduced with the Daynes at the tournament in Harrenhal. More specifically Ashara.

[Booknerd2]

Thanks so much guys!

So Wylla is alive and knows the truth.

And possibly Ashara at that time knew the truth. Well, there is the Brandon speculation thing, the Ned speculation thing, the Lemore theory...

Arthur definitely knew, and maybe Allyria.

But not Edric.

Thanks again.

Just wondering what the heck is going on after reading the interview yesterday and the comment regarding Arthur and Aerys. The Dayne factor in helping Ned and Jon, even if just keeping quiet about it and holdling it for some many years is what interests me regarding Wylla and possibly Ashara.

Wylla must be very loyal, because that is some VALUABLE info to certain parties in this series.

[Ser Leftwich]

Is there any background information about the arranged marriage between Beric Dondarrion and Allyria Dayne?

My secondary question is: why would a Marcher lord and a Dornish family marry, don't the Marcher Lords and Dornish famously despise each other as groups?

[King Doug]

Is there any background information about the arranged marriage between Beric Dondarrion and Allyria Dayne?

My secondary question is: why would a Marcher lord and a Dornish family marry, don't the Marcher Lords and Dornish famously despise each other as groups?

The Stormlands, Reach, and Dorne have warred over control of the marches forever. I'm assuming a Dayne being wed to a Marcher Lord (sworn to Storm's End) is an attempt to gain a foothold and ally in the Marches for the Dornish.

[aryana]

Ned leaves Starfall with a wetnurse for Jon (he must, how else will Jon nurse), who later returns to the service of the Daynes.

The logical answer is that Wylla was a Dayne-loyal wetnurse employed for Lyanna's baby and probably already at ToJ when Ned found Lyanna (that also explains the 'they' who found him with Lyanna dead in his arms, when only Howland Reed had survived the fight).

This explains everything.

The 'they' who found Ned and Lyanna.

How Ned got Jon from ToJ to Starfall.

How Ned got Jon from Starfall to Winterfell.

Why Robert thinks Wylla is Jon's mum.

Why Wylla returns to Starfall later and nurses Edric Dayne several years later.

I don't think Wylla ever saw Winterfell. I think it was another woman, a random wet nurse Ned hired after Starfall and she might not even got back south. She just probably stayed in the North somewhere. Surely Ned wouldn't bring home a child and his mother. Catelyn recalls she found Jon and a wet nurse when she had come to Winterfell and I bet she didn't just ignore her, she must've questioned her, tried to find some clues, anything - but couldn't because the woman knew nothing.

[Kman]

I forget the specifics, but towards the end of SoS, doesn't Robb write a letter naming Jon his heir and legitimizing him? Noticed nothing every really came of it in DwD.

[rmholt]

Is there any background information about the arranged marriage between Beric Dondarrion and Allyria Dayne?

My secondary question is: why would a Marcher lord and a Dornish family marry, don't the Marcher Lords and Dornish famously despise each other as groups?

I dont know about this particular match but in discussion Brackens and Blackwoods Hoster (SP?) says the families have been warring and intermarrying for hundreds of years.

[rmholt]

I forget the specifics, but towards the end of SoS, doesn't Robb write a letter naming Jon his heir and legitimizing him? Noticed nothing every really came of it in DwD.

He does have a document strongly suggested to be that but we dont know what happened to it.

[The Frostfangs]

I forget the specifics, but towards the end of SoS, doesn't Robb write a letter naming Jon his heir and legitimizing him? Noticed nothing every really came of it in DwD.

The whereabouts of that letter is as of now unknown...

One theory is it was never sent...

[_Oberyn_]

I forget the specifics, but towards the end of SoS, doesn't Robb write a letter naming Jon his heir and legitimizing him? Noticed nothing every really came of it in DwD.

With Howland Reed most likely.

[kissdbyfire]

With Howland Reed most likely.

There's really nothing to support that the document is with Howland Reed. Mormont and Glover are sent 'to be found' by Reed and/or his men, and they carry false intel in case one or both are captured. Robb signs this document/will shortly before they leave, and it's generally assumed they have it with them too. But nothing anywhere says they actually have it. And think about it, if Robb was worried about them being captured to the point that he sends false intel, would he really send 'the King in the North's last will and testament'? I think not... :)

[_Oberyn_]

There's really nothing to support that the document is with Howland Reed. Mormont and Glover are sent 'to be found' by Reed and/or his men, and they carry false intel in case one or both are captured. Robb signs this document/will shortly before they leave, and it's generally assumed they have it with them too. But nothing anywhere says they actually have it. And think about it, if Robb was worried about them being captured to the point that he sends false intel, would he really send 'the King in the North's last will and testament'? I think not... :)

Unlike his plans of the testament is not a secret. If people knew about Jon being named heir Robb would be "safer" if anything. There is no point for Robb to keep the will with him if things go wrong. Also in the event Robb and all his army are lost the people in the north need to have imediate access to the will so they can regroup around the new king and defend themselves .

[Pliskin]

There's really nothing to support that the document is with Howland Reed. Mormont and Glover are sent 'to be found' by Reed and/or his men, and they carry false intel in case one or both are captured. Robb signs this document/will shortly before they leave, and it's generally assumed they have it with them too. But nothing anywhere says they actually have it. And think about it, if Robb was worried about them being captured to the point that he sends false intel, would he really send 'the King in the North's last will and testament'? I think not... :)

Greywater Watch is supposed to be moving, and impossible to find for who is not friend with the crannogmen.

It's rather safe I think to send the will there.

[kissdbyfire]

You're free to believe what you want, as am I. :)

The point is, it is not an established truth.

Is it possible? Yes.

Is that the only option? No.

[rmholt]

Unlike his plans of the testament is not a secret. If people knew about Jon being named heir Robb would be "safer" if anything. There is no point for Robb to keep the will with him if things go wrong. Also in the event Robb and all his army are lost the people in the north need to have imediate access to the will so they can regroup around the new king and defend themselves .

It wouldnt make Jon any safer, nor Winterfell, nor the North, for any of Robb's plans to be public, including the succession.