Euron Greyjoy

[Jon Targaryen]

It doesn't seem like a Night's Watch brother is headed to Dany so crow is thought to mean Euron.

[Errant Bard]

But Euron is not headed to her either.

[jon tarkaryen]

But Euron is not headed to her either.

Not at the moment,but sooner or later...

[Angalin]

Oh, all right, I'll find it...

It's in the AFFC Reread Project - Ironborn thread:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=193514

[jon tarkaryen]

Oh, all right, I'll find it...

It's in the AFFC Reread Project - Ironborn thread:

http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=193514

Sorry,theory is nice,but it has no proof.It makes some sort of sense,but its still hard to happen.first of all,lets say Euron will really follow Iron fleet on their way to Dany.With only one ship.What can he do against them,if Victarion decide to turn them into rebels? Second,Ironborns are not so loyal to Euron,as we could saw from "Reaver".Euron Crow's Eye is not a fool.No,he will not follow Victarion.He is insane,but not stupid.There are lesser chances to be betrayed by Victarion then by all of Ironborns.

He will go in Dany's direction at some point,but not on Victarion's tail.

[urizen]

But does Euron really care about what happens the Ironborn? I got the impression Euron is setting the Ironborn with their actions in AFFC. Sure the Ironborn is looting and pillaging at the moment but when the Redwyne fleet arrives and the Tyrells get their act together the Ironborn are screwed, especially since Euron sends his best troops i.e the Iron fleet half across the world. The Reader of course sees this and tries to warn Vic and the others.

[jon tarkaryen]

But does Euron really care about what happens the Ironborn? I got the impression Euron is setting the Ironborn with their actions in AFFC. Sure the Ironborn is looting and pillaging at the moment but when the Redwyne fleet arrives and the Tyrells get their act together the Ironborn are screwed, especially since Euron sends his best troops i.e the Iron fleet half across the world. The Reader of course sees this and tries to warn Vic and the others.

Althought Euron probably dont care so much about Ironborns and their fate,I cannot see what use can he has of getting crushed by Redwyne fleet and Tyrell army.If he lost his battle against them,he is nowhere.If his real goal is to conquer Westeros,then he needs Ironborns...al least until the time Dany arrives.Because he has no chance to allied to anyone from Western Lands.but Dany is another story...

[urizen]

perhaps the plan is to distract and weaken both sides until he can sweep in with Dany and her troops?

[Anya, Vengeance Demon]

Well, um, the line was technically ADWD spoilers, but since it's already been revealed:

The line refers to people on their way to Dany. There is no other plausible candidate for "crow" than Euron. Mors Umber has no reason to make the trek, hasn't been set up to have any motivation to head that way, etc; Jon Snow has no knowledge of Dany and thus no reason to send men after her; Sam is staying in Oldtown, not traveling to Meereen. Euron has an interest in dragons, speaks of Dany, bases his entire conquest of Westeros on her dragons, so by process of elimination he's the most likely one.

Of course he _says_ to Victarion that he won't; he's going to stay in Westeros. But there's really no reason for him to do so. If Victarion leaves for Meereen, then who's left to threaten his kingship? Asha is a woman, and thus a doubtful center for anti-Euron resentment as we already know; Aeron isn't interested in the job; and Theon is gone, and presumed dead. And let's suppose that the Iron Islanders _do_ change their mind, and rebel. For that matter, let's assume worst case scenario: Victarion turns rebel in Meereen AND Asha becomes queen in Pyke.

Here's the trick: It doesn't matter to Euron, so long as his dragon-taming horn works. If it does, then Euron has the ultimate trump card, and rebellion against him becomes pratically indistinguishable from suicide. All Euron needs to do is set Drogon on Victarion, and I can't imagine that the rest of the Iron Fleet will rebel for long. And if Euron should come back covered in glory, the Iron Fleet behind him, with three dragons in tow and a Targaryen queen by his side, then I wouldn't bet half a groat on Asha's reign lasting another fortnight. Of course, it could fail. The horn could be a bust somehow. But if it fails Euron is dead anyway, and I imagne he knows it. He's already bet everything on the horn..

That leaves the interesting question of why Euron would get Victarion to lead the Fleet if he has every intention of going himself. My suspicion is that Victarion would only go to launch a rebellion against Euron, to take what his brother wants most dearly for himself as an act of revenge; and that Euron is playing off of this resentment to get V. to do what he wants, believing that he holds the ultimate trump card in reserve.

[jon tarkaryen]

Well, um, the line was technically ADWD spoilers, but since it's already been revealed:

The line refers to people on their way to Dany. There is no other plausible candidate for "crow" than Euron. Mors Umber has no reason to make the trek, hasn't been set up to have any motivation to head that way, etc; Jon Snow has no knowledge of Dany and thus no reason to send men after her; Sam is staying in Oldtown, not traveling to Meereen. Euron has an interest in dragons, speaks of Dany, bases his entire conquest of Westeros on her dragons, so by process of elimination he's the most likely one.

Of course he _says_ to Victarion that he won't; he's going to stay in Westeros. But there's really no reason for him to do so. If Victarion leaves for Meereen, then who's left to threaten his kingship? Asha is a woman, and thus a doubtful center for anti-Euron resentment as we already know; Aeron isn't interested in the job; and Theon is gone, and presumed dead. And let's suppose that the Iron Islanders _do_ change their mind, and rebel. For that matter, let's assume worst case scenario: Victarion turns rebel in Meereen AND Asha becomes queen in Pyke.

Here's the trick: It doesn't matter to Euron, so long as his dragon-taming horn works. If it does, then Euron has the ultimate trump card, and rebellion against him becomes pratically indistinguishable from suicide. All Euron needs to do is set Drogon on Victarion, and I can't imagine that the rest of the Iron Fleet will rebel for long. And if Euron should come back covered in glory, the Iron Fleet behind him, with three dragons in tow and a Targaryen queen by his side, then I wouldn't bet half a groat on Asha's reign lasting another fortnight. Of course, it could fail. The horn could be a bust somehow. But if it fails Euron is dead anyway, and I imagne he knows it. He's already bet everything on the horn..

That leaves the interesting question of why Euron would get Victarion to lead the Fleet if he has every intention of going himself. My suspicion is that Victarion would only go to launch a rebellion against Euron, to take what his brother wants most dearly for himself as an act of revenge; and that Euron is playing off of this resentment to get V. to do what he wants, believing that he holds the ultimate trump card in reserve.

unless Victarion marry Dany first,share with her few stories about Euron,and then Euron use his horn(if that works) and we have Dance of Dragons(or Dance with Dragons),Drogon vs. his brothers.

[Anya, Vengeance Demon]

unless Victarion marry Dany first,share with her few stories about Euron,and then Euron use his horn(if that works) and we have Dance of Dragons(or Dance with Dragons),Drogon vs. his brothers.

That's only if the horn only works on Drogon. I'm not sure why that should be true.

[jon tarkaryen]

That's only if the horn only works on Drogon. I'm not sure why that should be true.

Hmm true but if it works on all three dragons,then Dany is properly screwed.

[Errant Bard]

The line refers to people on their way to Dany. There is no other plausible candidate for "crow" than Euron.

It could very well be a Night's watch brother. We saw Jon in Sam PoV at the very beginning of AFFC, that's all, who knows what happens next.

It could be a Blackwood we didn't hear from yet (same as Griff).

It could be a "3 eyed" crow coming from the North.

So, there are plausible candidates aside from Euron.

Aside from that, remember also that not everyone has to follow and arrive at the same time... Who knows if that prophecy does not cover all the nobles that will ever follow dany?

Edit: And thinking about it, assuming Euron is the crow, the kraken may very well be someone like Theon, and the crow be Vic, as he acts in Euron's stead.

[jon tarkaryen]

Edit: And thinking about it, assuming Euron is the crow, the kraken may very well be someone like Theon, and the crow be Vic, as he acts in Euron's stead.

"Crow's Eye",man.Victarion cant be crow.

[Anya, Vengeance Demon]

None of the rest of them are really plausible based on what we know, though. Obviously somebody else crow-related could be interested in going after Dany, but you'd have to invent quite a bit to come up with reasons why. Meanwhile, Euron already has means, motive, and opportunity. By the same token, you could certainly argue that the lion might not be Tyrion, the kraken might not be Victarion, the sun's son might not be Quentyn, or that the griffin might not be Griff; but that doesn't make those other candidates plausible.

And no, there's no timeline, but the prophecy says that the others are coming, which presumably means that they are coming to her, not that she will be coming to them.

Obviously there's a bit of uncertainty here, but that doesn't mean that some answers aren't more likely than others.

[Errant Bard]

"Crow's Eye",man.Victarion cant be crow.

Victarion is Euron's man.

Beside, by that logic, Euron can't be crow either, he's the eye, and it's all that is on his banners, only the eye.

None of the rest of them are really plausible based on what we know, though.

I find them plausible. More plausible than a half baked theory where Euron would send a whole fleet away and then follow it incognito, in any case.

[Anya, Vengeance Demon]

What about it is half-baked? There's a plausible reason why Euron might have Victarion do just that, as I said before.

[jon tarkaryen]

Victarion is Euron's man.

Beside, by that logic, Euron can't be crow either, he's the eye, and it's all that is on his banners, only the eye.

I find them plausible. More plausible than a half baked theory where Euron would send a whole fleet away and then follow it incognito, in any case.

Euron still can be crow.I cannnot think of anyone else heading to Dany at this point who can be "crow".However,everything depends on Victarion,and what he will try to do.I doubt Euron will follow Victarion,so he has completly open hands.Of course,after Euron find out about Victarion's rebel(cos he will rebel probably),then he will come to Dany and use his horn,probably.Dance with Dragons.

[Errant Bard]

What about it is half-baked? There's a plausible reason why Euron might have Victarion do just that, as I said before.

And there are also plausible reasons why Jon would hear of Dany after Sam leaves, for example. It's easy to construct a wonderful theory to support what you feel is the truth. That does not make it the only theory possible.

About Euron, I find it hard to believe he would leave the strategy for the Westeros invasion, which he stated is his Goal during the Kingsmoot, to some Lieutnants and a bunch of nobles with wavering loyalties, while having Aeron and Asha in open opposition against him, and the Westeros Navy on the brink of getting its act together and crush them. It's a recipe for disaster, unless he wants to get rid of his own fleet and keep the Iron fleet of Victarion.

I ask this: why would he return to the Irons Islands in the first if his goal was the Dragons, and if what Vic and Asha did really didn't matter? By going directly to her, he could have come back with dragons during the Kingmoot, operate with his own trusted fleet in the east, and not have any interference from the Iron Islanders while doing so.

If the seastone chair really didn't matter to him more than that, why did he send Vic away in the first place if he was going to follow him? He could have had the guy harass Westeros efficiently, while he was getting his wife.

That's some of the reasons I think it's "half baked". Tho I didn't mean to be insulting, I just can't belieble such ultra stretched theories, of late.

[Anya, Vengeance Demon]

Sure, obviously Euron would prefer to have the loyalty of the ironborn assured. Presumably that's why he's taken steps to weaken Victarion's hold on his lieutenants, why the most likely alternative to him is being sent to Meereen, and so forth. But what I was trying to say is that Euron could easily take that risk if he wanted to.

From his POV, it's probably small enough. Asha and Aeron are in open opposition, but Aeron doesn't want Asha to take the throne so they're going to inevitably be at odds. (So long as you assume that Theon is dead, that is; but none of the POVs we've seen seemed to know that he's in captivity.) He's already shown his willingness to be openhanded with plunder and rewards, so a lot of the captains would probably be well disposed to him so long as they have the opportunity to continue raiding.

And sure, there's the risk that the Redwyne fleet is going to come and smash them--but that risk exists for Euron whether you accept this theory or not. And if you're thinking that Euron is letting Victarion handle the Dany mission all by himself, then you're already willing to believe that he's putting the most crucial part of his invasion plan in the hands of somebody who wants to kill him without much concern for how that's going to go. I don't see how my version makes Euron crazier than that.

Also, I don't have the books with me to check, but I don't think Euron actually has a fleet as such. If I'm not mistaken, he only had the Silence before he landed on the Iron Islands, which means that he'd need a fleet to take Dany and crew back from Meereen.