Guest rhaenys Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 well of course they doubted.They only has Euron's word on that....no proof or witnesses...but that doesnt mean its not true. Well, he's also got the horn, which is supposedly from Valyria...of course that could mean that (1) it's a Valyrian horn that Euron got from Valyria, (2) it's a Valyrian horn that Euron got somewhere other than Valyria, or (3) it's not even a Valyrian horn. What, are there just like magic horns laying on the ground all over the place amidst the smoking ruins of Valyria? At any rate, apparently the horn does something, and even Euron seems a little creeped out by it. I bet it's a Valyrian horn, and maybe it even controls dragons, but I think he got somewhere else and not from Valyria. Like from Qarth, maybe? Of course, the undying seemed woefully unable to control dragons the last time we saw them, so maybe they are not the best guess. Maybe Asshai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Well, he's also got the horn, which is supposedly from Valyria...of course that could mean that (1) it's a Valyrian horn that Euron got from Valyria, (2) it's a Valyrian horn that Euron got somewhere other than Valyria, or (3) it's not even a Valyrian horn. What, are there just like magic horns laying on the ground all over the place amidst the smoking ruins of Valyria? At any rate, apparently the horn does something, and even Euron seems a little creeped out by it. I bet it's a Valyrian horn, and maybe it even controls dragons, but I think he got somewhere else and not from Valyria. Like from Qarth, maybe? Of course, the undying seemed woefully unable to control dragons the last time we saw them, so maybe they are not the best guess. Maybe Asshai? ok,why are you even suspecting Euron lied?is there any proof I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rhaenys Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 ok,why are you even suspecting Euron lied?is there any proof I missed? Do you mean, if you keep asking me the same question am I eventually going to come up with something better? Probably not, sadly. All I've got is that Euron has no ability that I no of to go to Valyria when everyone else can't, Martin wastes space having a (well-respected) character doubt the veracity of the claim, and every other circumstance surrounding the return of Euron seems strange and cooked up with the help of third parties that he apparently doesn't want to reveal (unless you think he either took out Balon himself, or that the timing of his return really was a coincidence?). So, why do you think he's telling the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Do you mean, if you keep asking me the same question am I eventually going to come up with something better? Probably not, sadly. yea that mostly it So, why do you think he's telling the truth? I never said Euron was telling the truth.I was just wandering why do you think he is lieing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rhaenys Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 I was just wandering why do you think he is lieing? You're kidding, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 You're kidding, right? no, really.why do you think that is impossible?I mean,enter the Valyiria? I'm not sure wheter or not he was telling the truth,but you seemed quite sure he was lieing. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sno Krash Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 umm wow. so much analysis so little time. lessee. a cpl things, by instinct I followed that the guy on the prow was a greyjoy, (grey lips smiling sadly, sad = grey, smile = joy) I'd have to go back and re look it up but I believe there's a reference to the ship being silent as the dead or somesuch, implying euron. even more so though that vision occured and then Euron appeared in the story having arrived on a ship right after his brother dies, which we assume that euron had instigated, but there was never any sign that euron disliked balon, just that he felt it was his time to rise. Euron has two eyes on top of that he keeps one covered for whatever reason. for those who say its a corpse and not a greyjoy well and good cant argue with you. but for those who think the corpse thing refers to ppl being brought back to life by like aeron, I believe that all followers of the old ways have that done to them, and didnt theon say that euron hadnt given up the old ways even for a day? im sure the ritual was done to him as well. theres a spoiler as well that implies its euron. but for everyone arguing that he's sending victarion to dany and hence its victarion, do you really think he'd allow a rival that much of a chance to screw up his plans? he sends the iron fleet away with victarion, then leaves with silence. who do you think is going to get where their going first? and how likely do you think it is that victarion will arrive with the entire iron fleet intact? just some thoughts. all and all though, theon and euron have some things in common, like their tendency to smile mockingly (theon with his mouth, euron with his eye). perhaps if theon hadn't been castrated by the green lands he couldve been as hard as euron too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 umm wow. so much analysis so little time. lessee. a cpl things, by instinct I followed that the guy on the prow was a greyjoy, (grey lips smiling sadly, sad = grey, smile = joy) I'd have to go back and re look it up but I believe there's a reference to the ship being silent as the dead or somesuch, implying euron. even more so though that vision occured and then Euron appeared in the story having arrived on a ship right after his brother dies, which we assume that euron had instigated, but there was never any sign that euron disliked balon, just that he felt it was his time to rise. Euron has two eyes on top of that he keeps one covered for whatever reason. for those who say its a corpse and not a greyjoy well and good cant argue with you. but for those who think the corpse thing refers to ppl being brought back to life by like aeron, I believe that all followers of the old ways have that done to them, and didnt theon say that euron hadnt given up the old ways even for a day? im sure the ritual was done to him as well. theres a spoiler as well that implies its euron. but for everyone arguing that he's sending victarion to dany and hence its victarion, do you really think he'd allow a rival that much of a chance to screw up his plans? he sends the iron fleet away with victarion, then leaves with silence. who do you think is going to get where their going first? and how likely do you think it is that victarion will arrive with the entire iron fleet intact? just some thoughts. all and all though, theon and euron have some things in common, like their tendency to smile mockingly (theon with his mouth, euron with his eye). perhaps if theon hadn't been castrated by the green lands he couldve been as hard as euron too. unless you know something I dont,it was never mentioned Euron will leave with Silence.He send Victarion(another wrong thing, Euron is not seeing Victarion as rival),never even thinking that Victarion has a plan to take Dany for his own.So its possible that man is Victarion.But,if Victarion will marry Dany(and he probably will),the Euron will probably try to kill him.what will happen than,only GRRM knows.Then,threating that he will blow in his horn and control his dragons,he will probably marry her.afterwards,we can only imagine.thats one of the theories I belive most in,but there are many more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sno Krash Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I dont know something you dont know, but while euron seems arrogant he doesnt seem stupid and sending his brother to get his wife for him when he KNOWS victarion has a reason to hate him... come on there's gotta be a plan and my bet is on him going to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 16, 2006 Author Share Posted April 16, 2006 I dont know something you dont know, but while euron seems arrogant he doesnt seem stupid and sending his brother to get his wife for him when he KNOWS victarion has a reason to hate him... come on there's gotta be a plan and my bet is on him going to. You said correctly...Euron is arrogant.He sees Victarion as Teeon saw him...as strong,loyal....stupid.He cant even imagine that "stupid" Victarion will try to take Dany for his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sno Krash Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Theon didn't sleep with one of victarion's salt wives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted April 17, 2006 Author Share Posted April 17, 2006 Theon didn't sleep with one of victarion's salt wives. True,but Euron cant imagine that "fool" like Victarion will somehow harm him,in a way that would matter Euron.We know that he will,but he dont... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sno Krash Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 We don't know that he will that's where your assuming. the timing of Euron's arrival, arranging (here im assuming but again timing) Balon's death, having the magic horn (even if it doesn't control dragons it won him the kings moot), taking away victarion's supporters by giving them land, these speak in favor of Euron being intelligent. even if he doesn't end up going getting rid of the iron fleet (where most of victarion's supporters are) isn't a bad move. but I do think he will go, if not with victarion. I think sending victarion was a way of getting him out of the way while HE is gone talking to dany. I mean really why send victarion without the one bargaining chip he has? the horn. forget about stealing the dragons, Euron may offer the only way to keep them under control since they are already going a little wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rhaenys Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 no, really.why do you think that is impossible?I mean,enter the Valyiria? I'm not sure wheter or not he was telling the truth,but you seemed quite sure he was lieing. Why? Hmmm...let me put it this way. I have been a good sport and answered this question a few times already. If you think my answers suck, tell me so and tell me why. I think this is what I said in my last post, so when you ask, AGAIN, really, why do you think he's lying, it makes me feel like this: Therefore, I ask, are you kidding? ('cause that actually would have been kind of funny). Overall, I think the thread has pretty well played itself out, since we seem to back to where it all started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Huh. This thread did a good job of convincing me that Euron Greyjoy is the most likely candidate for that particular vision, actually. One connection that people haven't made yet: if shade of the evening is what you take to be more receptive to visions, then wouldn't that help to explain the "bright eyes" of the vision? That is, it's a way to represent somebody who is mad and prone to mystical visions, like friend Euron. I think the "smiling sadly" bit works too; it certainly fits with the impression I got of Euron in his last encounter with Victarion in "The Reaver." There's something weary and decadent about him there that would fit with a sad smile. Now obviously there are other candidates, but... SPOILER: option...few enough of those people have been prophesied to arrive on Dany's doorstep. Also, I have a strong suspicion that we're going to see the next set of prophecies (treason for gold, fire for death, mount to dread) fulfilled by the end of Dany's Meereen arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam the Slayer Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Euron has two eyes on top of that he keeps one covered for whatever reason. And where does it say that he covers one good eye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 And where does it say that he covers one good eye? It doesnt.As far as I know,Euron has one normal,"smiling" eye he is showing.And another,awful and scary,probably red with black middle(I dont know words for eye parts),as its shown on his banner(Sam's last chapter in AFFC).That eye he keeps covered,and is showing it whenever he wants to torture someone.Thats also the reason why he is nicknamed "Crow's Eye". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angalin Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Euron is wearing Mad-Eye Moody's magic eye under his eyepatch. There is a discussion around on the board that suggests that Euron sends Victarion as his envoy to Dany then follows him in secret. I'm not going to bother summarizing it here, as I'll do a bad job of it, but it's around. All to do with the "crow and kraken" line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimsqueaker Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 ANd nothing about the vision particularly indicates that she will marry the man in the vision. It simply could be a person who has some significance to, or effect on, her arrival in westeros. Her silver was trotting through the grass, to a darkling stream beneath a sea of stars. A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright on his dead face, gray lips smiling sadly. A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness...mother of dragons...bride of death... This clearly illustrates Danys loves. Her past - Drogo, and both her future loves. However given the whole 'eyes' quote as well as other things previously suggest to me that the Greyjoy is infact Victorion, not Euron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon tarkaryen Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 There is a discussion around on the board that suggests that Euron sends Victarion as his envoy to Dany then follows him in secret. I'm not going to bother summarizing it here, as I'll do a bad job of it, but it's around. All to do with the "crow and kraken" line. Well,yea it has been suggested here also,but its crackpot to me.Where is proof for that theory??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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