Azureguy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 So I recently finished A Storm Of Swords, and after reading Tyrion's last chapter I definitely had a WTF moment. Honestly I don't think Tyrion Should have killed Tywin, because..1.) Although we know his innocence, you can see why everyone would jump to the conclusion that Tyrion killed Joffrey. Tyrion was making fun of him, was getting yelled at, and basically insulted Joffrey moments before he died. We know his innocence, but you can't blame anyone for thinking it was him, honestly.2.) Tywin was going to let him take the black. We all know Tywin wasn't the best father, but it's not like he was going to kill his son. Even if this isn't enough reason for you, Then how about the situation in which Tyrion killed his father. Varys and Jaime had already freed him and given him passage to escape, he was home free. Why kill Tywin? Was it just blind rage over Tysha? In which case, is it Jaime's fault?Also, Was Tywin sleeping with Shae? If so, that seems out of character. Considering Tywin has always been distraught and unhappy since his wife's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Tywin would have died shortly after that anyway, so im glad tyrion got the chance to kill the stupid fuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureguy Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Tywin would have died shortly after that anyway, so im glad tyrion got the chance to kill the stupid fuckCare to elaborate? Why would he have died shortly after? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob with one B Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Care to elaborate? Why would he have died shortly after?A number of people believe that Tywin had been poisoned by Oberyn Martell while he was at dinner with him, specifically with Widow's Blood, the one which Pycelle mentions shuts down the bladder and bowels, which is why Tyrion finds him on the toilet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Tywin was poisoned. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureguy Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 Wow, How did I miss this!? Was this at Joffrey's feast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Before. Oberyn has dinner with Tywin, and in conversation with Tyrion prior to the feast mentions a certain nasty little poison that causes death by lack of shitting. Tywin died on the privy, and Tommen makes it very apparent that after a short period of time the stench, not sight is unbearable. Normal decomp wouldn't have caused this. Tywin was full of shit when he got a bolt to the tummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureguy Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 And Tywin, in the end, did not shit gold. So what was Shae doing there then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Either fucking him, or a ploy by our dear friend the Spider. I am very inclined to believe the former. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureguy Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 I agree, but it seems weird for Tywin. considering ever since his wife's death he's been miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Yes, but a naked woman with the hands chain on? With the hand in the next room. Even for a beautiful woman, that's overstepping her bounds just a little bit. It could in all possibility be a ruse by Varys to have her killed, but why exactly would he want that. (Not that anyone knows what the eunuch wants) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bib Fortuna Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I agree, but it seems weird for Tywin. considering ever since his wife's death he's been miserable.Tywin is a huge hypocrite. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittlefingerInYourBum Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Also, when he told jaime he DID kill Joff, i was like... O_O' why... the one person we all knew would come save you, now believes you really did kill his son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azureguy Posted August 9, 2012 Author Share Posted August 9, 2012 Also, when he told jaime he DID kill Joff, i was like... O_O' why... the one person we all knew would come save you, now believes you really did kill his son.I agree. I was so mad Tyrion and Jaime didn't have a good homecoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princethomas Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 This stuff about Tywin being poisoned. Are those spoilers for book 4? Im trying to avoid that and I thought we could do that here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bib Fortuna Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Most of the evidence for Tywin being poisoned came from ASOS. There are a few pieces of evidence from AFFC too, but those are really minor in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princethomas Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Most of the evidence for Tywin being poisoned came from ASOS. There are a few pieces of evidence from AFFC too, but those are really minor in comparison.On reflection, I can see some evidence. But I can't see any reason to think he WAS poisoned at the end of SOS. He gets shot in the belly while on the toilet and he releases his bowels when he dies. All of that seems quite reasonable. Are you saying that for the like 5 years or so before A Feast of Crows came out, that everyone was suggesting Tywin was poisoned? That seems hard to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bib Fortuna Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 These books are so complex that it's not surprising that little details keep on being discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Nico Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Tyrion has been putting up with his shit for all of his lifetime. I think that the recent revelation about Tysha was the last drop for him though, as he asked him about it before he shot him. The one thing that annoyed me to death was that he lied for Jaime, the only member in his family that treated him with the respect he deserves. As for Tywin sleeping with Shae, I find that to be the most logical reason for her to be there. Wasn't it also mentioned that it was made a secret passage to the brothel for a former Hand of the King? Tywin is was a person of pride, and if he was whoring, he would never let anyone know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captsoap Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 On reflection, I can see some evidence. But I can't see any reason to think he WAS poisoned at the end of SOS. He gets shot in the belly while on the toilet and he releases his bowels when he dies. All of that seems quite reasonable. Are you saying that for the like 5 years or so before A Feast of Crows came out, that everyone was suggesting Tywin was poisoned? That seems hard to believe.He was poisoned when he had dinner with Oberyn, in book 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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