John W Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Was Shae sent to KL with Tyrion to spy on him and report back to Tywin?Tywin probably knew that the best way to get Tyrion to take her with him was to forbid him from doing so in the first place.Is that why she insisted on being close to Tyrion all the time despite the supposed danger Cersei represented?ETA: I'm referring solely to the book version. Since its obvious the Shae of the TV show is not really the same as the one in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrhen Snow Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Maybe, but I don't think Tywin would sink that low to spy on his own son with a whore. Just doesn't seem Tywin's style... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aedalia Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Tywin thought he was in control of everything- he wouldn't have needed a spy, in his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 What's Tywin's style?He bedded a whore, he was very hypocrital towards Tyrion, there's a posibility, but I don't think so, she was bought by Cersei because Cersei discovered she was Tyrion's whore, and offered her a marriage with a knight and a mansion, if I'm not mistaken, so she betrayed Tyrion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 Was Shae sent to KL with Tyrion to spy on him and report back to Tywin?Tywin probably knew that the best way to get Tyrion to take her with him was to forbid him from doing so in the first place.Is that why she insisted on being close to Tyrion all the time despite the supposed danger Cersei represented?I don't think so. She was a camp follower 'hired' by some knight. Bronn procured Shae for Tyrion. Seems a bit too coincidental and it would probably mean that Bronn knew about it and was in league with Tywin too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverx2 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think the TV show hinted that Shae was actually someone elses spy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think the TV show hinted that Shae was actually someone elses spy.If you are referring to that scene with Varys, the hints that when Shae arrived in Kings Landing she could have been recruited by Varys are also found in the books. ETA If so, I guess Varys played his own game, not Tywin's game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinytoyrobots Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I think the TV show hinted that Shae was actually someone elses spy.Yeah, although certainly Shae's portrayal in the TV show definitely seems to be one of the most dissimilar to the character in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverx2 Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 If you are referring to that scene with Varys, the hints that when Shae arrived in Kings Landing she could have been recruited by Varys are also found in the books. ETA If so, I guess Varys played his own game, not Tywin's game.More so i was thinking about the blackwater.Shae sends sansa back to her room and tells her to bar the door, when sansa pleads with shae to come as well, shae says "i cant yet, i need to say goodbye to someone first"at this point the entire castle is under the impression that the lannisters are about to lose, Tyrion is reported to have been seen leading the forces out into the field, so who is shae heading off to say goodbye too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaega Targaryen Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I must agree with others who have pointed out that Shae could have been recuited by Varys to spy for him. It makes the most sense. But I'll also point out that Shae's flipping on Tyrion after he fell from power and influence shows that she was a true whore all along. So really anyone, Tywin or Varys, could have bought her (as a spy) at any point in time. Perhaps they both could have even been paying her for secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 While Tywin is that devious, so it's not unthinkable, the main stumbling block to this theory is "Why would Tywin Lannister use a whore?" He could just as easily have made a similar private arrangement with Bronn. I think he would trust a sellsword more than a whore, at least in terms of competence (not literally trust). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natalie_S Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 i've heard this theory before, but personally I don't think so.cersei talks about questioning "Sansa's handmaidens" to Jaime, i don't think she would consider them together if Shae was a spy. she would have been the first source, not just one of the witnesses that are questioned later on.She might be giving info to Varys, but personally i think her aim was to become rich and powerful via Tyrion.sansa recalls Shae talking to her about Oberyn's mistress "she was barely more than a whore and now she's almost a princess" (something like that, I don't have the books here).I think she saw herself as an Ellaria Sand 2.0 (if happened to her, why not to Shae too?), that's what she wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 More so i was thinking about the blackwater.Shae sends sansa back to her room and tells her to bar the door, when sansa pleads with shae to come as well, shae says "i cant yet, i need to say goodbye to someone first"at this point the entire castle is under the impression that the lannisters are about to lose, Tyrion is reported to have been seen leading the forces out into the field, so who is shae heading off to say goodbye too?Ah, I forgot. I don't like what the show is doing with Shae's character, so not much has sunk in.Could be the show is hinting at that she is in league with Littlefinger, perhaps the good people at HBO are giving some of the Ser Dontos material to Shae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 I don't tink Shae was Tywins spy because she stood in the way of some of his interests:1. Tywin wanted that Tyrion consummate his marriage, he take his son for a horny fool, so why give him a whore who distracted him (we know this wasn't the reason Tyrion didn't bed Sansa, but out of Tywins perspectiv logical)2. Tyrion spend a great amount of money on her, even for a rich guy like Tywin this wouldn't be smart3. The whipping of (Chatayas daughter) would be an unnessessary cruelty, I'm sure the Tyrells didn't approveAfter all I think she was Varys spy and he hole scence in Tywins chambers were set up by him to seperate Tyrion from his family, Jaime just was random aprovement, just like Tywins death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John W Posted August 13, 2012 Author Share Posted August 13, 2012 "Why would Tywin Lannister use a whore?"What is Tyrion's biggest weakness?How did Tywin even know that Tyrion had a "camp follower" in order for him to forbid him to take her to KL?If he knew of her, how hard would it have been for him to send word to her and arrange for her to spy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nepaliman_7 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 The show really has changed Shae a lot from the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martello Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 What is Tyrion's biggest weakness?How did Tywin even know that Tyrion had a "camp follower" in order for him to forbid him to take her to KL?If he knew of her, how hard would it have been for him to send word to her and arrange for her to spy?Was there any hint in the books that Tyrion was trying to keep Shae's existence secret before he went back to Kings Landing? If anyone in the camp was gossiping about Tyrion and Shae, word could have easily gotten back to Tywin about it. In the same style, Tyrion was lucky that he managed to keep Shae a secret in KL as long as he did. Just because he wasn't parading her under Cersei's nose doesn't mean that maids or footmen or kitchen staff don't notice anything going on and talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I never got why Tyrion brought Shae. Just frequent Chataya's, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 How did Tywin even know that Tyrion had a "camp follower" in order for him to forbid him to take her to KL?Well, if you recall it was Tywin's camp she was a follower in. That man would know what goes on within his camp. Probably whatever knight or lord Bronn took Shae from complained about it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohit39 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 From perceiving Shae's actions in the books, it seems like Tyrion was truly smitten by Shae (obviously), but Shae was with Tyrion purely to experience life at KL inside the Red Keep, live a better life, in a possibly better place than where she was picked up from. So after Tyrion was accused by Cersei for killing Joffrey, Shae turned on him when Cersei offered her something in return (any idea what it was? I can't see to recall), thus she turned on Tyrion. Because she didn't love him truly, just his position and power. But why would Shae soon after be sleeping with Tywin? Was it just a job? Or more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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