Cubicz Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Rhaegar is dead and crematedOOPS, I got mixed up and was operating under the premise that Jon was AAR temporarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei of the Kingsguard Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 My only issue with Jon being AAR is that I can't see him as a champion of R’hllor. He's a northerner through and through, a champion of the old gods. Of course, I have no idea what the future holds for him or whether he'll undergo a fundamental shift in allegiance, but for now I have trouble seeing it.There's still the possibility, as I've seen mentioned around these forums, that Azor Ahai is just a bastardization (no pun intended) of the Last Hero myth, and that this "savior" figure isn't really a fire champion at all.i kinda can see it . just because Mel and other Red Priests burn people doesnt mean its what R'hllor wants ... just look on TODAYS Christianity or Islam many of its followers do stupid stuff and claimthats the religion they believe in .Hitler himself took on Jews , because he found Jesus' quote saying something about fighting the Jews (yea thats not the only reason but nvm that)the further you look beck in time the worse it gets long story short : i dont think we should say who R'hllor is or what he wants becouse Mel said so . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Idiots Lantern Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I personally think it is possible that Azor Ahai is more than one person. If it is Targaryen based (even though I don't think Stannis is AA, he still has Targ blood), then I think 'the dragon has three heads' is relevant.I thought "the dragon must have three heads" was a Targaryan thing, not an AA thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissLalwen Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Ooooh, good one. Nice find indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 I thought "the dragon must have three heads" was a Targaryan thing, not an AA thing. I think that you are right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I think that you are rightCould it be a Valyrian prophecy or one the Targs made after The Doom?Also do you think that TPTWP is Valyrian or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 Could it be a Valyrian prophecy or one the Targs made after The Doom?Also do you think that TPTWP is Valyrian or not?I think that TPTWP and 3hd is Valyrian-Targaryen but AAis R'hllor's and LH First men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlirpa Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Why are many people sure that Azor Ahai is also the Prince that was Promised? I think they may be different people. Why doesn't Melisandre see Dani or the Dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted June 17, 2013 Author Share Posted June 17, 2013 Why are many people sure that Azor Ahai is also the Prince that was Promised? I think they may be different people. Why doesn't Melisandre see Dani or the Dragons? First welcome. Second GRRM has said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 First welcome. Second GRRM has said it Yeah, about 7:10 Redlirpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Puff Fish Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 My whole problem with the majority of the 'evidence' for the Jon Snow= Azor Ahai comes from Melisandre, and from her visions specifically. A lot of this is based on the fact that she is confused because she doesn't get a glimpse of Stannis when she's looking for AA in her flames. However, this entire argument is founded on the idea that R'hllor actually gives reliable visions, or even exists, given that we see no evidence of his power outside the actions of his priests. Furthermore, Melisandre is questionable with her flame interpretations (Arya fleeing her marriage, for example).I find the J=AA theory interesting, and post-aDwD there could be some very strong evidence for J=AA depending on how things are resolved, especially if Jon is to survive, he may be 'reborn' which is in connection with the whole AA thing, as the previous evidence of Melisandre's prophecy says that AA will be born amid salt and smoke (which sounds more like bacon than a person).Personally, I think that everyone should just leave the prophecies alone. As Tyrion said, "Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Florence Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Don't forget to add that Ser Patrek was the 'bleeding star' during Jon's stabbing.Right, he looked like a morning star and he was definitely bleeding.I don't know, it might be Dany since she has woken dragons out of petrified eggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei of the Kingsguard Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I remember seeing the Mel = Shiera theory and brushing it off...then I noticed that they are both described as having "heart-shaped faces". Not that it's proof or anything, but still interesting.so does margaery tyrell as far as i remeber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 so does margaery tyrell as far as i remeber I don't remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cersei of the Kingsguard Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I don't remember thati will have look look around i dont have exact quote and im not 100% sure but yea i always thought of Margaery when someone said "heart-shaped face". i will try and look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I don't know, it might be Dany since she has woken dragons out of petrified eggs.Dany is the Great Red Herring. She's the diversion to get people to think she's AAR and not Jon. She's too obvious. Both Aemon and a Red Priest, from Voltanis, say she's AAR/TPTWP. But as wise as he is, Aemon is wrong about Dany being AAR/TPTWP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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