RobbStark1 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 As you will all know Kevan Lannister met his end at the end of adwd, but what i found interesting was one of the last things that he saw. The white raven, a symbol that the seasons are changing, a white raven bearing the message "winter is here" which links in with the stark words "Winter is coming" to me this suggests that winter is coming for the Lannisters and that the north will rise again.I live in hope that Jeyne Westerling was ineed pregnant and wasn't present at the fall of Riverrun, due to several reasons, the well discussed difference in appearance between the Jeyne Catelyn meets and the one Jaime meets, and Edmure Tully's smug attitude after the fall of riverrun. But also as Jeyne follows Robb out of Riverrun, GRRM is to bright a chap for jeynes leaving Riverrun to be simply out of affection for Robb, i beleive it was so she could leave and her sister or a double could return to Riverrun in her place and spend the remaining time as Queen Jeyne Stark. When Bryden Tully escaped i beleive he went to her and her unborn child to protect the King In The Norths heir, the fact we are unaware who Robb actually left as his heir could also mean he knew Jeyne was pregnant but didnt want it to become public knowledge so he only told his lords at the making of his will, i know many people beleive that it is Jon, but i live in hope Robb left the north to his possible heir and that the Winter that is coming for the Lannisters is the Young Wolfs heir, who around that time should have been or be near being born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Winter will be seriously pissed off Jon Snow. An suprisingly Cersei will be only one that has seen threat he posses from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BlackBear Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Winter has come for the Lannisters. I feel it's much more fitting if they're brought down by their own politcal system and duplicity. Exactly what is happening.I fail to see why Robb would cause so much trouble legitimising Jon, and it has a vast potential for trouble, if he knew he'd soon have an heir. Even if she is pregnant, and it's a boy, the North need a leader, not a toddler. Manderley and Rickon will be the key to the North's fight I feel, and Sansa will have to play some role to something, there's got to be a reason she's in the most least affect by war, famously fertile Vale. Where we already know Royce holds Stark loyalties/relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandalf the Grey Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Well, if anyone is going to improve their position during winter it will be the Starks. I wouldn't necessarily take it as a sign that there will be vengeance: Winter had been talked about forever, and it had to come sometime, right? Even if the Starks had been extinguished there's still winter.Also remember that an earlier proposed title for A Dream of Spring was A Time for Wolves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougef Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't know about he starks, but Fatman Manderly is fixing to unload a whole can of whoop ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrionsFlagon Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'm cheering for the fact that Jeyne could have a baby in her, but it'll take 15 years for him to be old enough to lead. I doubt that by the end of A Dream of Spring he'll have an impact in the fate of the Lannisters or the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gougef Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Given the changes in the TV show, I suspect Jeyne will be found out to be an unimportant side character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodeoRamsey Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Given the changes in the TV show, I suspect Jeyne will be found out to be an unimportant side character.I think this is pretty spot on. The producers have been told (by GRRM) the main plot points of the story, and they have already changed Jeyne to be some other woman from an insignificant family. I think it's less WHO the wife was, but just the fact that he took a non-Frey wife that was the important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Man Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 When Bryden Tully escaped i beleive he went to her and her unborn child to protect the King In The Norths heir, the fact we are unaware who Robb actually left as his heir could also mean he knew Jeyne was pregnant but didnt want it to become public knowledge so he only told his lords at the making of his will, i know many people beleive that it is Jon, but i live in hope Robb left the north to his possible heir and that the Winter that is coming for the Lannisters is the Young Wolfs heir, who around that time should have been or be near being born.Robb DID leave an heir... He signed a parchment stating that his brother Jon is his heir to the North, in front of his dukes, before the red wedding took place. Part of his troops went with a ship to the Crannogman, so people know who his heir was... I do like the idea he had a son we do not know of though, but how would his identity be proven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Targaryens Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 As you will all know Kevan Lannister met his end at the end of adwd, but what i found interesting was one of the last things that he saw. The white raven, a symbol that the seasons are changing, a white raven bearing the message "winter is here" which links in with the stark words "Winter is coming" to me this suggests that winter is coming for the Lannisters and that the north will rise again.Message was send from Citadel, because of the season changing.I think Manderly will rescue Rickon, but then die(to fat). When Sansa will hear that Rickon is alive I think she is going to help him (after she killed LF), because she alredy have a Vale. What will happend with Jeyne i rather not predict... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis the Wight Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The remaining Starks better cause some shit. You got Bran that can use animals and weirwoods, who knows what Rickon will be like when he gets back in the fold, Arya is an assassin in training, Sansa is learning her own type of power.... something's got to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodCraven Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I live in hope that Jeyne Westerling was ineed pregnant and wasn't present at the fall of Riverrun, due to several reasons, the well discussed difference in appearance between the Jeyne Catelyn meets and the one Jaime meets, and Edmure Tully's smug attitude after the fall of riverrun. But also as Jeyne follows Robb out of Riverrun, GRRM is to bright a chap for jeynes leaving Riverrun to be simply out of affection for Robb, i beleive it was so she could leave and her sister or a double could return to Riverrun in her place and spend the remaining time as Queen Jeyne Stark. When Bryden Tully escaped i beleive he went to her and her unborn child to protect the King In The Norths heir, the fact we are unaware who Robb actually left as his heir could also mean he knew Jeyne was pregnant but didnt want it to become public knowledge so he only told his lords at the making of his will, i know many people beleive that it is Jon, but i live in hope Robb left the north to his possible heir and that the Winter that is coming for the Lannisters is the Young Wolfs heir, who around that time should have been or be near being born.*Crackpot alert* Maybe Edmure or the Blackfish helped Robb by giving him an 'heir'.. In the Old testament it was a duty of brothers to keep the family line going, maybe uncles too? And Robb did have the Tully looks so no one would ever know as long as everyone just kept their mouths shut.Genesis 38:8 "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alienarea Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Don't know about he starks, but Fatman Manderly is fixing to unload a whole can of whoop ass.Manderley will unload a whole can of ****. It will not be whoop ass, but come from said body part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms McKenzie Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Possibly......it is well documented that birds are very vindictive creatures......they delight in vengeance and comeuppance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodCraven Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 As a Christian I'm going to have to ask you to not compare ASoIaF with THE BIBLE. Both are beautiful works, but let's not mix a fantasy story with THE BIBLE, please.And another thing, would you bang your sister-in-law or brother-in-law?I am not comparing the two books, just looking at possible parallels. BTW, there are many more similarities Rheagar and King David have some similar traces, the PtwP and Christ, oh and plenty of sex, incest, infanticide, human sacrificing just of the top of my mind. (well I guess I am comparing the two books now... sorryTo your question I would have to say that it depends. According the Bible it would have been wicked not to do it and the penalty was death. Under those circumstances I would have to say yes. I wouldn't do it in real life however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbStark1 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Robb DID leave an heir... He signed a parchment stating that his brother Jon is his heir to the North, in front of his dukes, before the red wedding took place. Part of his troops went with a ship to the Crannogman, so people know who his heir was... I do like the idea he had a son we do not know of though, but how would his identity be proven?It is never confirmed that Jon was infact named heir, i beleive it is so GRRM can surprise us with who it is, and the black fish and Jeyne westerling would be plenty of proof.And i am not saying the child will ever lead during the books, but i can see the child being a ralying call for the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrannogDweller Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I like the turn of phrase, but I don't think we're going to see an heir of Robb's at all. IIRC, somewhere in ASOS, Jaime (I'm almost sure it was him) was talking to Jeyne Westerling's mother and she told him that she'd been giving her daughter potions to prevent her from getting pregnant (basically contraceptives), even though Jeyne thought they were for the exact opposite purpose - for fertility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbStark1 Posted October 9, 2012 Author Share Posted October 9, 2012 Contraceptives are not always effective as many people know, it's only a theory one I happen to prefer I was a massive Robb stark fan and I despise the idea he gets no retribution that no one will avenge him, and unless the black fish helps the next star be it rickon or Robb junior we run the risk of the Starks becoming a puppet lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCrannogDweller Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I'd like to see Robb's death avenged, too, but I don't think it will be through an heir. Jeyne was sent back home, with a Lannister escort and was forbidden to marry for two years. So, even if she does give birth, the child will just be another hostage in the Lannisters' hands. That being said, one of the three men directly responsible for the Red Wedding is already dead - Lord Tywin. He didn't really receive the wrath of the North, but he did get a bolt in the belly from his son. So that leaves us with Walder Frey and Roose Bolton. I don't really think we're in any danger of seeing the Starks becoming puppets to anyone - especially Rickon. Even though he's really young and at that age it's difficult to tell, I think he is set up to be some sort of reincarnation of his uncle Brandon - and that guy might've been a little crazy, but he didn't let himself be manipulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnow Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 My theory is that Rob and Ned aren't dead... all the starks are alive and no vengeance is needed... I'm not crazy :cool4: Ned was replaced by a facless man... Rob's corpse was just a random screw up with Grey Wind's head attatched. And an injured Rob escaped with the Black Fish to live... Let me continue me dreams TT___TTAs for Vengeance against the Lanisters... They've screwed over more than just the Starks... I mean they overthrew a Dynasty through treachery, deceit disloyalty. They married into the Brathean family... and essentially overthrew their short lasted rule as well. Lets not forget to mention that they murdered baby royalty to tick the Dornish off, they had some incest, and probably a crap load of other things I'm not thinking of. They have Vengeance coming... but not just from winter lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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