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Blackfyres are the house that descend from Daemon Blackfyre. Bloodraven fought against him...yet the 3 eyed crow said that he had a brother he loved and a brother he hated. He hated bittersteel...so he loved Blackfyre.

People always say that, but I originally thought that Daeron II, the brother he sided with in this war, was the one he was referring to.

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Personally i think, that there will be no Blackfyre and Targaryen alliance. Aegon, if he truly is Aegon, won't be a matter. Deanerys won't alliance with the enemies of the Great House Targaryen. Blackfyres maybe Dragons but they never have seen one and i think, that they'll never have one under their command. They made two rebellions against the Crown. They're no trustworthy and the Old Squire killed the last of Blackfyres.


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If Dany and Aegon marry, they will make final peace between the two bloodlines and merge them back into one family; that is, if Aegon is a black dragon.

Dany would probably go for that.

I agree. I think this theory, although simple, makes a lot of sense. Most people think Aegon can't be legitimate because then why the hell have we been learning all this stuff about Dany for 5 books, and why all the stuff about Blackfyres, especially in the D&E Tales. It makes too much sense.

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I like this theory a lot. Excellent write-up on the topic. There are a lot of possibilities but this is what I personally believe:



1) The Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Bloodraven Rivers.



2) Danerys is a true Targaryen. Self explanatory



3) Aegon VI is a Blackfyre from the female line. It can go either way and I hope he IS truly Rhaegar's son. There is plenty of evidence that points to Blackfyre though. The Mummer's Dragon and also the irony on a few accounts. Connington risking his life to sit a pretender on the throne, rather than Rhaegar's son like he thought or Rhaegar's sister. Also the Dornish potentially throwing their eggs (Arianne) in the Blackfyre basket thinking he is a Targaryen only to be fooled. This would also be double-ironic since part of the reason behind the Blackfyre Rebellion, the growing Dornish influence at King's Landing.



4) Illyrio is a descendant of Aegor Bittersteel Rivers. This is a bit of a stretch but hear me out. The Golden Company broke their contract to aid Illyrio's crew on their quest to sit Aegon VI on the iron throne. Very uncharacteristic of the company with a strong reputation of contract loyalty but also history as a group of knights exiled following a failed uprising against the Targaryens. DWD attempts to explain this, saying Danerys (but ultimately Aegon) gives them what they truly desire, the chance to go home, but it still seems a little suspicious that they would break a contract to help a Targaryen. Granted Illyrio could have made it worth their while financially but their reputation would lean toward not accepting such a transaction. The move makes more sense with the knowledge that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre, the family they were once sworn to protect; however, it is most likely they don't know this. This would require Varys and Illyio to divulge extensive knowledge of their plan to the Golden Comany, something they certainly would not do. So why did the Golden Company break their contract? Someone with authority over them must have told them to do so. That man should be a descendant of their leader Bittersteel, and that man is Illyrio. Illyrio's true motives behind his conspiracy remain unknown. The castles of Westeros do not compare to his manse and the title of Master of Coin does not seem enticing enough to wage a war. If Aegon were truly his son, which is possible, it could make more sense; however, if his family ties ran deeper than that, then we could be on to something. In his youth Illyrio was described as exceptionally handsome and muscular, looking the part of a warrior. The Targaryens have always been described as almost unnaturally beautiful and the warrior look fits that of Bittersteel. There are a few drawbacks. While Illyrio had blonde hair, which relates to the Targaryens, Bittersteel's hair was dark. Illyrio's hair is also described as yellow rather than the Targaryen silvery blonde. Also Illyrio has "pig's eyes" unlike the purple Targaryen eyes that Bittersteel had. However, the hair could be dyed, as is popular in the free cities (his beard is described as oiled there could be more to that) and the eyes may be a disguise by Varys or just a result of old age and an unhealthy lifestyle that faded their once lustrous color. This can also be a result of a diluted gene pool and relatively low birth. He could just be a bastard of Bittersteel with some Pentoshi whore. It also wouldn't be out of the question to say Illyrio is a grandson of Bittersteel despite his age, which would further dilute Rivers' features, especially if it was through a daughter of the great bastard. Furthermore, Illyrio's grotesque appearance in the current time is reminiscent of Aegon IV the Unworthy, his grandfather/great-grandfather. With this lineage, he could have the authority and respect within the Golden Company to influence them to break their contract and join in a Targaryen/Blackfyre alliance. Ultimately, if you can see where I am going, all the pieces of the Blackfyre Rebellion are present. One is definite, another is all but confirmed, and the third is very likely and while the Golden Company may in itself be a proxy for Bittersteel I feel like there will be something a little more direct. Which leaves one more...



5) Quaithe is Shiera Seastar. Quaithe has been a mystery since she first appeared, albeit briefly, in CoK. She seems to have some magic powers and offers Danerys some wisdom and warnings through her journey. Seastar, much like Bloodraven, was suspected of some types of sorcery. She and her mother, who died giving birth to her, were rumored to use dark magic to maintain their beautiful appearance even at an old age. This explains how she has survived over 100 years. Quaithe also wears a mask, which could be to mask her identity as she was such a renowned beauty. It could also be some ironic circumstance linked to the magic. Although she remains alive, her beauty has faded, and she wears the mask to conceal it as she is ashamed of it. Seastar was said to be very intelligent and an avid reader and she certainly has had plenty of time to learn all that she desires. This would explain why she would travel to far off lands like Assahai for knowledge, and why she would influence Danerys to go there. Perhaps she knows what Danerys would find there. Seastar was a Targaryen loyalist, which explains why she aids the last Targaryen on her quest. Furthermore, she warns her about Varys/Illyrio/Aegon who represent her enemies.



The latter four are all set to converge at some point. Illyrio's company had planned to meet Danerys in Volantis before a change of plans arose. I think the alliance is the current plan though that was not always the case. Obviously that wouldn't work while Viserys was alive and Illyrio schemed to get rid of him. Viserys would have led to nothing more than yet another failed rebellion. Danerys was an unfortunate "casualty" of this reality, as she was taken out of the picture. Viserys dying was definitely in the plan, but Danerys was more or less just not expected to be a threat. However, her survival, the birth of her dragons, and conquest of Slaver's Bay changed all of that and made her a powerful ally. The Blackfyres and Golden Company desperate to return home put their differences with the Targaryens aside for their cause, as Danerys would bring them over 10,000 men, not to mention 3 dragons. She would also further legitimize Aegon VI's claim to the Iron Throne.



Quaithe seems to oppose this alliance, which somewhat fits the mischievous scheming nature Seastar and Bloodraven share. Bloodraven rose as high as Hand of the King but was later imprisoned and sent to The Wall. He could have some ill feelings toward the Targaryens which he may share with his lover Seastar. With Bloodraven Beyond The Wall and capable of greensight and Seastar's magic it might be posible that these two communicate. This makes Seastar/Quaithe's mission more a sabotage than legitimate help or rather, sabotaging Targaryen rule in favor of a greater destiny. Asshai is linked to R'Hllor and Azor Ahai which would send Danerys to Bloodraven in The North.


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Great theory. Excellent write up. There are a lot of possibilities but this is what I personally believe:



1) The Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Bloodraven Rivers.



2) Danerys is a true Targaryen. Self explanatory



3) Aegon VI is a Blackfyre from the female line. It can go either way and I hope he IS truly Rhaegar's son. There is plenty of evidence that points to Blackfyre though. The Mummer's Dragon and also the irony on a few accounts. Connington risking his life to sit a pretender on the throne, rather than Rhaegar's son like he thought or Rhaegar's sister. Also the Dornish potentially throwing their eggs (Arianne) in the Blackfyre basket thinking he is a Targaryen only to be fooled. This would also be double-ironic since part of the reason behind the Blackfyre Rebellion, the growing Dornish influence at King's Landing.



4) Illyrio is a descendant of Aegor Bittersteel Rivers. This is a bit of a stretch but hear me out. The Golden Company broke their contract to aid Illyrio's crew on their quest to sit Aegon VI on the iron throne. Very uncharacteristic of the company with a strong reputation of contract loyalty but also history as a group of knights exiled following a failed uprising against the Targaryens. DWD attempts to explain this, saying Danerys (but ultimately Aegon) gives them what they truly desire, the chance to go home, but it still seems a little suspicious that they would break a contract to help a Targaryen. Granted Illyrio could have made it worth their while financially but their reputation would lean toward not accepting such a transaction. The move makes more sense with the knowledge that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre, the family they were once sworn to protect; however, it is most likely they don't know this. This would require Varys and Illyio to divulge extensive knowledge of their plan to the Golden Comany, something they certainly would not do. So why did the Golden Company break their contract? Someone with authority over them must have told them to do so. That man should be a descendant of their leader Bittersteel, and that man is Illyrio. Illyrio's true motives behind his conspiracy remain unknown. The castles of Westeros do not compare to his manse and the title of Master of Coin does not seem enticing enough to wage a war. If Aegon were truly his son, which is possible, it could make more sense; however, if his family ties ran deeper than that, then we could be on to something. In his youth Illyrio was described as exceptionally handsome and muscular, looking the part of a warrior. The Targaryens have always been described as almost unnaturally beautiful and the warrior look fits that of Bittersteel. There are a few drawbacks. While Illyrio had blonde hair, which relates to the Targaryens, Bittersteel's hair was dark. Illyrio's hair is also described as yellow rather than the Targaryen silvery blonde. Also Illyrio has "pig's eyes" unlike the purple Targaryen eyes that Bittersteel had. However, the hair could be dyed, as is popular in the free cities (his beard is described as oiled there could be more to that) and the eyes may be a disguise by Varys or just a result of old age and an unhealthy lifestyle that faded their once lustrous color. This can also be a result of a diluted gene pool and relatively low birth. He could just be a bastard of Bittersteel with some Pentoshi whore. It also wouldn't be out of the question to say Illyrio is a grandson of Bittersteel despite his age, which would further dilute Rivers' features, especially if it was through a daughter of the great bastard. Furthermore, Illyrio's grotesque appearance in the current time is reminiscent of Aegon IV the Unworthy, his grandfather/great-grandfather. With this lineage, he could have the authority and respect within the Golden Company to influence them to break their contract and join in a Targaryen/Blackfyre alliance. Ultimately, if you can see where I am going, all the pieces of the Blackfyre Rebellion are present. One is definite, another is all but confirmed, and the third is very likely and while the Golden Company may in itself be a proxy for Bittersteel I feel like there will be something a little more direct. Which leaves one more...



5) Quaithe is Shiera Seastar. Quaithe has been a mystery since she first appeared, albeit briefly, in CoK. She seems to have some magic powers and offers Danerys some wisdom and warnings through her journey. Seastar, much like Bloodraven, was suspected of some types of sorcery. She and her mother, who died giving birth to her, were rumored to use dark magic to maintain their beautiful appearance even at an old age. This explains how she has survived over 100 years. Quaithe also wears a mask, which could be to mask her identity as she was such a renowned beauty. It could also be some ironic circumstance linked to the magic. Although she remains alive, her beauty has faded, and she wears the mask to conceal it as she is ashamed of it. Seastar was said to be very intelligent and an avid reader and she certainly has had plenty of time to learn all that she desires. This would explain why she would travel to far off lands like Assahai for knowledge, and why she would influence Danerys to go there. Perhaps she knows what Danerys would find there. Seastar was a Targaryen loyalist, which explains why she aids the last Targaryen on her quest. Furthermore, she warns her about Varys/Illyrio/Aegon who represent her enemies.



The latter four are all set to converge at some point. Illyrio's company had planned to meet Danerys in Volantis before a change of plans arose. I think the alliance is the current plan though that was not always the case. Obviously that wouldn't work while Viserys was alive and Illyrio schemed to get rid of him. Viserys would have led to nothing more than yet another failed rebellion. Danerys was an unfortunate "casualty" of this reality, as she was taken out of the picture. Viserys dying was definitely in the plan, but Danerys was more or less just not expected to be a threat. However, her survival, the birth of her dragons, and conquest of Slaver's Bay changed all of that and made her a powerful ally. The Blackfyres and Golden Company desperate to return home put their differences with the Targaryens aside for their cause, as Danerys would bring them over 10,000 men, not to mention 3 dragons. She would also further legitimize Aegon VI's claim to the Iron Throne.



Quaithe seems to oppose this alliance, which somewhat fits the mischievous scheming nature Seastar and Bloodraven share. Bloodraven rose as high as Hand of the King but was later imprisoned and sent to The Wall. He could have some ill feelings toward the Targaryens which he may share with his lover Seastar. With Bloodraven Beyond The Wall and capable of greensight and Seastar's magic it might be posible that these two communicate. This makes Seastar/Quaithe's mission more a sabotage than legitimate help or rather, sabotaging Targaryen rule in favor of a greater destiny. Asshai is linked to R'Hllor and Azor Ahai which would send Danerys to Bloodraven in The North.


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The Golden Company's goal used to be to put a Blackfyre* on the Iron Throne, but with the death of Maelys the Monstrous during the War of the Ninepenny Kings that goal has effectively become impossible: there are no descendents of the male Blackfyre line.

*Whom they would consider the rightful king, they didn't attempt this for the perverse pleasure of empowering some random bastard.

Female-line descent reduces people's willingness to take up your cause and die for you or challenge the sitting king ('usurper'), it can also decrease your chances at an election (Great Council/Kingsmoot/whatever), but it's still valid. It would help if the matrilineal descendant changed his name to his mother's (or grandmother's) as opposed to putting a more pedestrian name on the throne.

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4) Illyrio is a descendant of Aegor Bittersteel Rivers. This is a bit of a stretch but hear me out. The Golden Company broke their contract to aid Illyrio's crew on their quest to sit Aegon VI on the iron throne. Very uncharacteristic of the company with a strong reputation of contract loyalty but also history as a group of knights exiled following a failed uprising against the Targaryens. DWD attempts to explain this, saying Danerys (but ultimately Aegon) gives them what they truly desire, the chance to go home, but it still seems a little suspicious that they would break a contract to help a Targaryen. Granted Illyrio could have made it worth their while financially but their reputation would lean toward not accepting such a transaction. The move makes more sense with the knowledge that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre, the family they were once sworn to protect; however, it is most likely they don't know this. This would require Varys and Illyio to divulge extensive knowledge of their plan to the Golden Comany, something they certainly would not do. So why did the Golden Company break their contract? Someone with authority over them must have told them to do so. That man should be a descendant of their leader Bittersteel, and that man is Illyrio. Illyrio's true motives behind his conspiracy remain unknown. The castles of Westeros do not compare to his manse and the title of Master of Coin does not seem enticing enough to wage a war. If Aegon were truly his son, which is possible, it could make more sense; however, if his family ties ran deeper than that, then we could be on to something. In his youth Illyrio was described as exceptionally handsome and muscular, looking the part of a warrior. The Targaryens have always been described as almost unnaturally beautiful and the warrior look fits that of Bittersteel. There are a few drawbacks. While Illyrio had blonde hair, which relates to the Targaryens, Bittersteel's hair was dark. Illyrio's hair is also described as yellow rather than the Targaryen silvery blonde. Also Illyrio has "pig's eyes" unlike the purple Targaryen eyes that Bittersteel had. However, the hair could be dyed, as is popular in the free cities (his beard is described as oiled there could be more to that) and the eyes may be a disguise by Varys or just a result of old age and an unhealthy lifestyle that faded their once lustrous color. This can also be a result of a diluted gene pool and relatively low birth. He could just be a bastard of Bittersteel with some Pentoshi whore. It also wouldn't be out of the question to say Illyrio is a grandson of Bittersteel despite his age, which would further dilute Rivers' features, especially if it was through a daughter of the great bastard. Furthermore, Illyrio's grotesque appearance in the current time is reminiscent of Aegon IV the Unworthy, his grandfather/great-grandfather. With this lineage, he could have the authority and respect within the Golden Company to influence them to break their contract and join in a Targaryen/Blackfyre alliance. Ultimately, if you can see where I am going, all the pieces of the Blackfyre Rebellion are present. One is definite, another is all but confirmed, and the third is very likely and while the Golden Company may in itself be a proxy for Bittersteel I feel like there will be something a little more direct. Which leaves one more...

Interesting. Well. Aegor Rivers had also been legitimized, so after the extinction of the male line of the Blackfyres, he and his descendants could even have a credible BF claim of their own anyway, basically becoming the Blackfyres.

This said, I don't really find the idea too likely because of the locket with Illyrio's wife's Targ-like likeness. A woman with Valyrian features he'd found in a 'pillowhouse' in Lys. Isn't Lys where the Brightflame had gone? Brightflame descent could make things perhaps even more dramatic. Any Blackfyre women probably still had some supporters to take care of them financially for at least a modest living standard without them ending up in brothels. Now Brightflame is a different story.

Could be a bastard, though, anyway, at least as long as only the looks matter. In that case, either of the BFs would do.

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I like this theory a lot. Excellent write-up on the topic. There are a lot of possibilities but this is what I personally believe:

1) The Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Bloodraven Rivers.

2) Danerys is a true Targaryen. Self explanatory

3) Aegon VI is a Blackfyre from the female line. It can go either way and I hope he IS truly Rhaegar's son. There is plenty of evidence that points to Blackfyre though. The Mummer's Dragon and also the irony on a few accounts. Connington risking his life to sit a pretender on the throne, rather than Rhaegar's son like he thought or Rhaegar's sister. Also the Dornish potentially throwing their eggs (Arianne) in the Blackfyre basket thinking he is a Targaryen only to be fooled. This would also be double-ironic since part of the reason behind the Blackfyre Rebellion, the growing Dornish influence at King's Landing.

4) Illyrio is a descendant of Aegor Bittersteel Rivers. This is a bit of a stretch but hear me out. The Golden Company broke their contract to aid Illyrio's crew on their quest to sit Aegon VI on the iron throne. Very uncharacteristic of the company with a strong reputation of contract loyalty but also history as a group of knights exiled following a failed uprising against the Targaryens. DWD attempts to explain this, saying Danerys (but ultimately Aegon) gives them what they truly desire, the chance to go home, but it still seems a little suspicious that they would break a contract to help a Targaryen. Granted Illyrio could have made it worth their while financially but their reputation would lean toward not accepting such a transaction. The move makes more sense with the knowledge that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre, the family they were once sworn to protect; however, it is most likely they don't know this. This would require Varys and Illyio to divulge extensive knowledge of their plan to the Golden Comany, something they certainly would not do. So why did the Golden Company break their contract? Someone with authority over them must have told them to do so. That man should be a descendant of their leader Bittersteel, and that man is Illyrio. Illyrio's true motives behind his conspiracy remain unknown. The castles of Westeros do not compare to his manse and the title of Master of Coin does not seem enticing enough to wage a war. If Aegon were truly his son, which is possible, it could make more sense; however, if his family ties ran deeper than that, then we could be on to something. In his youth Illyrio was described as exceptionally handsome and muscular, looking the part of a warrior. The Targaryens have always been described as almost unnaturally beautiful and the warrior look fits that of Bittersteel. There are a few drawbacks. While Illyrio had blonde hair, which relates to the Targaryens, Bittersteel's hair was dark. Illyrio's hair is also described as yellow rather than the Targaryen silvery blonde. Also Illyrio has "pig's eyes" unlike the purple Targaryen eyes that Bittersteel had. However, the hair could be dyed, as is popular in the free cities (his beard is described as oiled there could be more to that) and the eyes may be a disguise by Varys or just a result of old age and an unhealthy lifestyle that faded their once lustrous color. This can also be a result of a diluted gene pool and relatively low birth. He could just be a bastard of Bittersteel with some Pentoshi whore. It also wouldn't be out of the question to say Illyrio is a grandson of Bittersteel despite his age, which would further dilute Rivers' features, especially if it was through a daughter of the great bastard. Furthermore, Illyrio's grotesque appearance in the current time is reminiscent of Aegon IV the Unworthy, his grandfather/great-grandfather. With this lineage, he could have the authority and respect within the Golden Company to influence them to break their contract and join in a Targaryen/Blackfyre alliance. Ultimately, if you can see where I am going, all the pieces of the Blackfyre Rebellion are present. One is definite, another is all but confirmed, and the third is very likely and while the Golden Company may in itself be a proxy for Bittersteel I feel like there will be something a little more direct. Which leaves one more...

5) Quaithe is Shiera Seastar. Quaithe has been a mystery since she first appeared, albeit briefly, in CoK. She seems to have some magic powers and offers Danerys some wisdom and warnings through her journey. Seastar, much like Bloodraven, was suspected of some types of sorcery. She and her mother, who died giving birth to her, were rumored to use dark magic to maintain their beautiful appearance even at an old age. This explains how she has survived over 100 years. Quaithe also wears a mask, which could be to mask her identity as she was such a renowned beauty. It could also be some ironic circumstance linked to the magic. Although she remains alive, her beauty has faded, and she wears the mask to conceal it as she is ashamed of it. Seastar was said to be very intelligent and an avid reader and she certainly has had plenty of time to learn all that she desires. This would explain why she would travel to far off lands like Assahai for knowledge, and why she would influence Danerys to go there. Perhaps she knows what Danerys would find there. Seastar was a Targaryen loyalist, which explains why she aids the last Targaryen on her quest. Furthermore, she warns her about Varys/Illyrio/Aegon who represent her enemies.

The latter four are all set to converge at some point. Illyrio's company had planned to meet Danerys in Volantis before a change of plans arose. I think the alliance is the current plan though that was not always the case. Obviously that wouldn't work while Viserys was alive and Illyrio schemed to get rid of him. Viserys would have led to nothing more than yet another failed rebellion. Danerys was an unfortunate "casualty" of this reality, as she was taken out of the picture. Viserys dying was definitely in the plan, but Danerys was more or less just not expected to be a threat. However, her survival, the birth of her dragons, and conquest of Slaver's Bay changed all of that and made her a powerful ally. The Blackfyres and Golden Company desperate to return home put their differences with the Targaryens aside for their cause, as Danerys would bring them over 10,000 men, not to mention 3 dragons. She would also further legitimize Aegon VI's claim to the Iron Throne.

Quaithe seems to oppose this alliance, which somewhat fits the mischievous scheming nature Seastar and Bloodraven share. Bloodraven rose as high as Hand of the King but was later imprisoned and sent to The Wall. He could have some ill feelings toward the Targaryens which he may share with his lover Seastar. With Bloodraven Beyond The Wall and capable of greensight and Seastar's magic it might be posible that these two communicate. This makes Seastar/Quaithe's mission more a sabotage than legitimate help or rather, sabotaging Targaryen rule in favor of a greater destiny. Asshai is linked to R'Hllor and Azor Ahai which would send Danerys to Bloodraven in The North.

3 Aegon is the real deal, A female descendent of the Blackfyre would have to be producing children in essos, a very diverse cultural place, do you really think that several generations later a kid looking just like what Rheagar's son would be found by Varys, giving over to JonCon with all the confidence that he could trick him believing that's Aegon, and Convince Dany with three dragon (or Viserys if he was still alive) that this their nephew thought to be dead.

There is way too much room for error both short term and long term: If found out that he is a phony by any means, he risk getting killed and near 20 years of planning wasted for nothing, or even if he get throne and he found out be a fake, he would not be in any different situation than Joffery. People all over would try to claim the throne like they are now, and i believe that Varys spoke the truth about wanting peace, putting a phoney can easily start another War of 5 kings.

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The sword Blackfyre is a bastard sword. (http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/2999/)

When Tyrion first meets Rolly and Haldon, a bastard sword, like Blackfyre, is unsheathed and an identity is revealed...

The brawny man unsheathed a bastard sword. "I'm Duck, you mouthy little pisspot."

Tyrion III, Dance

Seems like another brick in the wall to me...

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The sword Blackfyre is a bastard sword. (http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/2999/)

When Tyrion first meets Rolly and Haldon, a bastard sword, like Blackfyre, is unsheathed and an identity is revealed...

Tyrion III, Dance

Seems like another brick in the wall to me...

That's not true. Blackfyre is their (Targ) ancestral sword not a bastard sword.

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That's not true. Blackfyre is their (Targ) ancestral sword not a bastard sword.

A bastard sword is special type of sword. It's not as big as a 2-handed sword, but bigger than the onehanded sword. It's something in between, that's the reason why it's called bastard sword. The Owner of a bastard sword can be trueborn, bastard born... It doesn't matter.

Being trueborn or bastard born has nothing to do with it.

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Great theory. Excellent write up. There are a lot of possibilities but this is what I personally believe:

1) The Three-Eyed Crow is Brynden Bloodraven Rivers.

2) Danerys is a true Targaryen. Self explanatory

3) Aegon VI is a Blackfyre from the female line. It can go either way and I hope he IS truly Rhaegar's son. There is plenty of evidence that points to Blackfyre though. The Mummer's Dragon and also the irony on a few accounts. Connington risking his life to sit a pretender on the throne, rather than Rhaegar's son like he thought or Rhaegar's sister. Also the Dornish potentially throwing their eggs (Arianne) in the Blackfyre basket thinking he is a Targaryen only to be fooled. This would also be double-ironic since part of the reason behind the Blackfyre Rebellion, the growing Dornish influence at King's Landing.

4) Illyrio is a descendant of Aegor Bittersteel Rivers. This is a bit of a stretch but hear me out. The Golden Company broke their contract to aid Illyrio's crew on their quest to sit Aegon VI on the iron throne. Very uncharacteristic of the company with a strong reputation of contract loyalty but also history as a group of knights exiled following a failed uprising against the Targaryens. DWD attempts to explain this, saying Danerys (but ultimately Aegon) gives them what they truly desire, the chance to go home, but it still seems a little suspicious that they would break a contract to help a Targaryen. Granted Illyrio could have made it worth their while financially but their reputation would lean toward not accepting such a transaction. The move makes more sense with the knowledge that Young Griff is actually a Blackfyre, the family they were once sworn to protect; however, it is most likely they don't know this. This would require Varys and Illyio to divulge extensive knowledge of their plan to the Golden Comany, something they certainly would not do. So why did the Golden Company break their contract? Someone with authority over them must have told them to do so. That man should be a descendant of their leader Bittersteel, and that man is Illyrio. Illyrio's true motives behind his conspiracy remain unknown. The castles of Westeros do not compare to his manse and the title of Master of Coin does not seem enticing enough to wage a war. If Aegon were truly his son, which is possible, it could make more sense; however, if his family ties ran deeper than that, then we could be on to something. In his youth Illyrio was described as exceptionally handsome and muscular, looking the part of a warrior. The Targaryens have always been described as almost unnaturally beautiful and the warrior look fits that of Bittersteel. There are a few drawbacks. While Illyrio had blonde hair, which relates to the Targaryens, Bittersteel's hair was dark. Illyrio's hair is also described as yellow rather than the Targaryen silvery blonde. Also Illyrio has "pig's eyes" unlike the purple Targaryen eyes that Bittersteel had. However, the hair could be dyed, as is popular in the free cities (his beard is described as oiled there could be more to that) and the eyes may be a disguise by Varys or just a result of old age and an unhealthy lifestyle that faded their once lustrous color. This can also be a result of a diluted gene pool and relatively low birth. He could just be a bastard of Bittersteel with some Pentoshi whore. It also wouldn't be out of the question to say Illyrio is a grandson of Bittersteel despite his age, which would further dilute Rivers' features, especially if it was through a daughter of the great bastard. Furthermore, Illyrio's grotesque appearance in the current time is reminiscent of Aegon IV the Unworthy, his grandfather/great-grandfather. With this lineage, he could have the authority and respect within the Golden Company to influence them to break their contract and join in a Targaryen/Blackfyre alliance. Ultimately, if you can see where I am going, all the pieces of the Blackfyre Rebellion are present. One is definite, another is all but confirmed, and the third is very likely and while the Golden Company may in itself be a proxy for Bittersteel I feel like there will be something a little more direct. Which leaves one more...

5) Quaithe is Shiera Seastar. Quaithe has been a mystery since she first appeared, albeit briefly, in CoK. She seems to have some magic powers and offers Danerys some wisdom and warnings through her journey. Seastar, much like Bloodraven, was suspected of some types of sorcery. She and her mother, who died giving birth to her, were rumored to use dark magic to maintain their beautiful appearance even at an old age. This explains how she has survived over 100 years. Quaithe also wears a mask, which could be to mask her identity as she was such a renowned beauty. It could also be some ironic circumstance linked to the magic. Although she remains alive, her beauty has faded, and she wears the mask to conceal it as she is ashamed of it. Seastar was said to be very intelligent and an avid reader and she certainly has had plenty of time to learn all that she desires. This would explain why she would travel to far off lands like Assahai for knowledge, and why she would influence Danerys to go there. Perhaps she knows what Danerys would find there. Seastar was a Targaryen loyalist, which explains why she aids the last Targaryen on her quest. Furthermore, she warns her about Varys/Illyrio/Aegon who represent her enemies.

The latter four are all set to converge at some point. Illyrio's company had planned to meet Danerys in Volantis before a change of plans arose. I think the alliance is the current plan though that was not always the case. Obviously that wouldn't work while Viserys was alive and Illyrio schemed to get rid of him. Viserys would have led to nothing more than yet another failed rebellion. Danerys was an unfortunate "casualty" of this reality, as she was taken out of the picture. Viserys dying was definitely in the plan, but Danerys was more or less just not expected to be a threat. However, her survival, the birth of her dragons, and conquest of Slaver's Bay changed all of that and made her a powerful ally. The Blackfyres and Golden Company desperate to return home put their differences with the Targaryens aside for their cause, as Danerys would bring them over 10,000 men, not to mention 3 dragons. She would also further legitimize Aegon VI's claim to the Iron Throne.

Quaithe seems to oppose this alliance, which somewhat fits the mischievous scheming nature Seastar and Bloodraven share. Bloodraven rose as high as Hand of the King but was later imprisoned and sent to The Wall. He could have some ill feelings toward the Targaryens which he may share with his lover Seastar. With Bloodraven Beyond The Wall and capable of greensight and Seastar's magic it might be posible that these two communicate. This makes Seastar/Quaithe's mission more a sabotage than legitimate help or rather, sabotaging Targaryen rule in favor of a greater destiny. Asshai is linked to R'Hllor and Azor Ahai which would send Danerys to Bloodraven in The North.

Also with the Mummer's Dragon phrase, I sure hope you know that phrase isn't a noun, it is a Possessive Noun. That " 's" change that whole meaning. That being said everyone can definitively concluded that the Mummer is Varys and the dragon in question is Aegon. So the Phrase "Mummer's Dragon" can easily be translated to "Varys's Aegon" not "Pretend Dragon"

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Not directed at anyone in particular but many keep saying they think Varys and Illyrio originally intended to get rid of Viserys and Dany or at least keep them out of the picture....but they could have taken them out at any time rather than drag it out in any way... and why would they have given Dany the 3 dragon eggs?


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Not directed at anyone in particular but many keep saying they think Varys and Illyrio originally intended to get rid of Viserys and Dany or at least keep them out of the picture....but they could have taken them out at any time rather than drag it out in any way... and why would they have given Dany the 3 dragon eggs?

Because Illyrio didn't believe that they would hatch.... Jorah has a quite pregnant line about that in one of the books.

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If it turns out that Aegon is a Targ with a better claim than Dany I'm going to be pissed. Why build up Dany so much to pull that in ADWD? I call BS. FakeAegon is being used as some other plot device. I think it's going to be Dany's motivation to get over to Westeros - finally - and start conquering. She'll have the Dothraki, Second Sons, the Ironborn who are left over (who'll presumably bend the knee once they see dragons and such), Unsullied, etc.. She'll have a formidable army and then someone tells her, "hey, did you know a bloke called Aegon is running around kicking ass in Westeros? He means to conquer and rule the Seven Kingdoms."

"What?! No fake ass Targ is going to take MY throne!"

Cue fire.

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Not directed at anyone in particular but many keep saying they think Varys and Illyrio originally intended to get rid of Viserys and Dany or at least keep them out of the picture....but they could have taken them out at any time rather than drag it out in any way... and why would they have given Dany the 3 dragon eggs?

Why take them out ? Viserys was no threat for them, he was a beggar king without support, hell even without a crown. But as long as Viserys & Dany lived they were a target for Robert Baratheons Targ-hate, leaving Faegon comfortably out of the line of fire.

Why does Faegon need dragon eggs? The thing that Faegon needs most is proof of his legitimacy, dragon eggs don't proof that (Butterwell & illyrio had some and the're both no Targaryens).

Crackpot Idea: The general consensus is that Aegon has blackfyre in one of the chests, maybe there is a dragon egg in it as well.

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