Werthead Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is the canon map showing the size and location of the Summer Islands. They're pretty big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This is the canon map showing the size and location of the Summer Islands. They're pretty big.They're big, but not as big as the OP suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 They're big, but not as big as the OP suggests.Yeah. About the size of Dorne or the Vale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dacey Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 In the real world, an awful lot of luxury items are produced in warm climates: cotton, coffee, sugar, chocolate, mahogany, ivory, saffron and other spices - there's a famous article called "Southernization" by Linda Schaffer about how the demand for these items spread cultural influences from Southeast Asia surprisingly far across the world. We can expect that the Summer Isles are major producers of luxury goods as well, because of the fact that they're well-known traders and sailors throughout the world despite being way the fuck in the middle of nowhere. Sailing such long distances just wouldn't be profitable unless you're carrying very, very expensive goods that are highly in demand.I'd expect the Summer Isles to be very wealthy compared to Westeros, with prosperous market economies, although possibly not military powerhouses, since their distance from the rest of the world probably means they don't need to worry much about defense and aren't likely to be interested in conquest. War's bad for trade, anyway. And they can probably afford to buy mercenaries from Essos if they really need to buff up their armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertramboso Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yes, from what we've heard about the Summer Isles, there's a lot of them and it's a relatively large archipelago, like Indonesia or the Phillippines. This doesn't mean, however-as many PPs have noted-that they're inherently prosperous. And the interconnectivity between the various islands might be very little, given any number of factors.There's enough political strife within the SIs and connections between at least some of the Isles and the rest of the world that Jalabhar Xho (sic?) went to King's Landing to try and raise an army, instead of western Essos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_20 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 They look the shape of the Bahamas. What type of animals are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 They look the shape of the Bahamas. What type of animals are there?Bahamian wildlife on land consists of wild pigs (non-native), rodents called hutias, iguanas, non-venomous snakes, and lots and lots of birds.I think the Summer Islands would have a more diverse ecology, being larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs.Grumpy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 It's a little bit off-topic but here we discuss Summer Islands, so... :rolleyes:I wonder if Summer Islanders are originally from Yeen, Gogossos, Zamettar and Gorosh. We don't know how these cities are turned to ruins but maybe some of the citizens escaped and sailed to west, then found these islands and settled there ?That would be cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Roberto Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 It's a little bit off-topic but here we discuss Summer Islands, so... :rolleyes:I'm wondering if Summer Islanders are originally from Yeen, Gogossos, Zamettar and Gorosh. We don't know how these cities are turned to ruins but maybe some of the citizens escaped and sailed to west, then found these islands and settled there ?That would be cool...That could indeed be the case. It's close enough for the corsair king to raid Tall Trees Town, and the only inhabitant from Sothoryos we know of, Barristan's apprentice Tumco Lho, seems to share a naming pattern with known summer islanders, such as Quhuru Mo and Jalabhar Xho. They also seem to share a skin tone. Maybe the Summer Islands didn't come exactly from the ruined cities of the northern tip of Sothoryos, but from other places of the continent. Nice hypothesis, haven't considered it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua-york Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I don't know what GRRM's plans are, but it would definitely be cool to actually see the Summer Isles in ASoIaF rather than just mentions of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Crackpot: Jalabar Xho isn't really an exiled prince. he's learning about the 7K and relaying information back in preparation for the Summer Island invasion. by the end of the series all of Westeros will be under their control with both Others and Dragons dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is the canon map showing the size and location of the Summer Islands. They're pretty big. Wait, this map is canon? Even compared to Lands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer420 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 this looks very much like my map in the lands of ice and fire. So I think it is cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Crackpot: Jalabar Xho isn't really an exiled prince. he's learning about the 7K and relaying information back in preparation for the Summer Island invasion. by the end of the series all of Westeros will be under their control with both Others and Dragons dead. I'd support this. First, Westeros. Next, the world. It's a scheme hundreds of years in the making. The Summer Islanders give the impression they are a chill and peaceful people, when in actuality, they are waiting for Westeros to destroy itself in order to dominate it. Wait, this map is canon? Even compared to Lands? It seems to be based directly of Lands, so I'd say its canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Mountain That Posts Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 It's a little bit off-topic but here we discuss Summer Islands, so... :rolleyes:I wonder if Summer Islanders are originally from Yeen, Gogossos, Zamettar and Gorosh. We don't know how these cities are turned to ruins but maybe some of the citizens escaped and sailed to west, then found these islands and settled there ?That would be cool...While I do think it's very possible that the people of the Summer Islands came from Sothoryos, i'd like to imagine all those ruined cities in northern Sothoryos be failed Ghis or Valyrian settlements. Would make sense, since they were obsessed with expansionism and since they weren't familar with the climate - would explain why they failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHOSTSTARK Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 all this reading of the summer islands made me think what purpose does Jalabhar Xho have in the story?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Posts Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 all this reading of the summer islands made me think what purpose does Jalabhar Xho have in the story??Absolutely none, I think. I don't even think he's been mentioned since book 3 or so.He's probably dead or hightailed it out of King's Landing by now. hhaha<spoilers>testing</spoilers> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Absolutely none, I think. I don't even think he's been mentioned since book 3 or so.He's probably dead or hightailed it out of King's Landing by now. hhaha IIRC he's in prison in KL, because he's one of Margaery's "suitors" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Penry Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 IIRC he's in prison in KL, because he's one of Margaery's "suitors" He is, and he's under Qyburn's care... I can only attempt to imagine the horrors bestowed upon him, an exotic guinea pig should excite Qyburnstein. Also, am I the only one unconvinced he is even a prince? I like the idea of him arriving in Westeros and convincing everybody he's a fallen prince of the Summer Islands, living lavishly on their charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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