Aslerys Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) In Margaret Thatcher funeral the Lord Mayor of London carried swordnamed Sword of the Morning, I don't know if GRRM knew anything about this sword but it obviously remind me of Dawn and Ser Arthur Dayne. Edited May 16, 2013 by Aslerys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Moff Mithrandir Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Aenar Targaryens daughter foreseeing the doom of Valyria always reminds me of Jor-El foreseeing the doom of Krypton..like Jor-El trying hopelessly to warn his fellow people, Aenar did the same. And they both acted to save their families and ensure their continuing legacy. Edited May 18, 2013 by Grand Maester Mithrandir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Moff Mithrandir Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Phillip K. Dick's novel DADoES has a powerful corporation named Rosen, in the motion picture(Blade Runner) the corporation is named Tyrell and is located high in the sky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Aenar Targaryens daughter foreseeing the doom of Valyria always reminds me of Jor-El foreseeing the doom of Krypton..like Jor-El trying hopelessly to warn his fellow people, I'm Aenar did the same. And they both acted to save their families and ensure their continuing legacy.I never thought of that before, very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroomshirt Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 (edited) I know this is not a real reference, but I always think of ASoIaF when I hear this song. I imagine it could almost be Jaime singing to Tyrion.Mumford and Sons, Little Lion Man Edited May 23, 2013 by mushroomshirt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonSnow Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 The Killing of Rhaegar's family and the "hidden away" heir, Aegonreminds me of the Romanovs and Anastasia just a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Found a Tattered Knight in Don QUixote. Also found a reference to a series of tales of knight erratry to which QUixote was obsessed, which the author never finished, driving QUixote so mad he almost finished it himself, much like some of us in the 5 years between the last two! Edited May 24, 2013 by rmholt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Crow Come Over Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Septon Cellador = Septon Cellar DoorA passage from J. R. R. Tolkien's 1955 essay "English and Welsh" has been cited as the origin of the idea:[1] "Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fourth Head Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 A Lengthy post drawing an overwhelming parallel between Littlefinger and the nature and symbolism of Hares...http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/88292-littlefinger-and-potted-hare/In ACOK, Joffrey is trying to catch Hares outside, Tyrion is trying to catch LF within. The parallel's go on and on, and seem quite deliberate on GRRM's part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 (edited) Septon Cellador = Septon Cellar DoorA passage from J. R. R. Tolkien's 1955 essay "English and Welsh" has been cited as the origin of the idea:[1] "Most English-speaking people...will admit that cellar door is 'beautiful', especially if dissociated from its sense (and from its spelling). More beautiful than, say, sky, and far more beautiful than beautiful. Well then, in Welsh for me cellar doors are extraordinarily frequent, and moving to the higher dimension, the words in which there is pleasure in the contemplation of the association of form and sense are abundant." Damn beat me to it I was waiting to post this titbit in my ratty old character names thread once search is back up and I can find it. Septon Cellador is a drunk, of course.Three other wine themed surnames:Paxter Redwyne of the Arbor has a wonderfully evocative name if you can ignore the stubby individual bearing it.Pax+ter=peace maker in my mind and Redwyne brings to mind both red wine and red wing, the bird. But Redwyne is a real surname decended from an anglo saxon personal name formed from two words: counsellor and friend. So we have a peace making red wine or a peace making counsellor or friend.In the Reach surnames there are also Redding, whose coat of arms is a golden flagon on burgandy and Rhysling whose coat of arms shows an oak door set in a stone wall ie a cellar door.Are there any others? Edited May 24, 2013 by Castellan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 A Lengthy post drawing an overwhelming parallel between Littlefinger and the nature and symbolism of Hares...http://asoiaf.wester...nd-potted-hare/In ACOK, Joffrey is trying to catch Hares outside, Tyrion is trying to catch LF within. The parallel's go on and on, and seem quite deliberate on GRRM's partHmm, I never considered that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sleeper Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 (edited) It might have come up beofre in the 53 pages of this thread I didn't bother to read.Immediately when I started reading a novel called Planet of Exile by Ursula K. Le Guin came to mind. The set is a distant planet inhabited by a humanoid race closely related to us, where there is a colony of regular earth humans as a diplomatic/research mission. The native race is primitve and the humans have abandoned most technology in order not to interfere with their development.The planet's revolution around its sun lasts sixty years and the story begins on the onset of the fifteen year old winter, as one of the sedentary native tribes and the human colony are about to face the incursion of the northern nomadic and migratory tribes, which for the first time in their history have unified under a charismatic leader. To make matters worse the daughter of the native clan's chieftain falls in love and runs off with the leader of the humans bringing the colony and the tribe to the brink of war.Any of it sound familiar?By the way read it, it's awesome. Le Guin and Martin are the only two writers that I have come across, that can make you believe that they have actually met the characters they write about. Edited May 25, 2013 by just an Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Le Guin and Martin are the only two writers that I have come across, that can make you believe that they have actually met the characters they write about. :agree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasthur Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Just reading a history of the Byzantine Empire, it seems there are quite a few parallels. Including the above post,Maegor the Cruel: Constantine VCersei: Irene of Athens, self proclaimed 'empress' (https://en.wikipedia...Irene_of_Athens)Wildfire: Greek fire (https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Greek_fire)Hallyne/pyromancers: CallinicusKings Landing: ConstantinopleI think we can say for sure that KL was mainly influenced by Konstantinopel. The geographic location, the way enemies are forced to besiege it, the courts, the Hills, ... and the Great Sept of Baelor even looks like the Hagia Sophia (after the Ottomans attached Minarettes). So i think it's pretty obvious... like the Wall was influenced by Hadrian's Wall in Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I think we can say for sure that KL was mainly influenced by Konstantinopel. The geographic location, the way enemies are forced to besiege it, the courts, the Hills, ... and the Great Sept of Baelor even looks like the Hagia Sophia (after the Ottomans attached Minarettes). So i think it's pretty obvious... like the Wall was influenced by Hadrian's Wall in Britain.Hmm, interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Damn beat me to it I was waiting to post this titbit in my ratty old character names thread once search is back up and I can find it. Septon Cellador is a drunk, of course.Three other wine themed surnames:Paxter Redwyne of the Arbor has a wonderfully evocative name if you can ignore the stubby individual bearing it.Pax+ter=peace maker in my mind and Redwyne brings to mind both red wine and red wing, the bird. But Redwyne is a real surname decended from an anglo saxon personal name formed from two words: counsellor and friend. So we have a peace making red wine or a peace making counsellor or friend.In the Reach surnames there are also Redding, whose coat of arms is a golden flagon on burgandy and Rhysling whose coat of arms shows an oak door set in a stone wall ie a cellar door.Are there any others?I wonder why Cellador started out as Celladar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I wonder why Cellador started out as CelladarA little joke by an author? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 The Killing of Rhaegar's family and the "hidden away" heir, Aegonreminds me of the Romanovs and Anastasia just a bitHmm, I never considered that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 A little joke by an author?Similar to his little joke where he has Edd sprinkle nutmeg into boiled eggs? In other words a bit of an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 Similar to his little joke where he has Edd sprinkle nutmeg into boiled eggs? In other words a bit of an error. :agree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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