Kandrax Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 "There are no men like me. Only me." is very similar to "There are no women like me. I am unique." from Blake's 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnababa Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Has anyone ever noticed this? The Hobbit, chapter 1 Quote In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort. It had a perfectly round door like a porthole, painted green, with a shiny yellow brass knob in the exact middle. The door opened on to a tube-shaped hall like a tunnel: a very comfortable tunnel without smoke, with panelled walls, and floors tiled and carpeted, provided with polished chairs, and lots and lots of pegs for hats and coats—the hobbit was fond of visitors. A Feast for Crows, Brienne VI Quote Brother Narbert led the visitors around a chestnut tree to a wooden door set in the side of the hill. “A cave with a door?” Ser Hyle said, surprised. [...] Perhaps two thousand years ago the Hermit’s Hole had been a damp, dark place, floored with dirt and echoing to the sounds of dripping water, but no longer. The cave that Brienne and her companions entered had been turned into a warm, snug sanctum. Woolen carpets covered the ground, tapestries the walls. Tall beeswax candles gave more than ample light. The furnishings were strange but simple; a long table, a settle, a chest, several tall cases full of books, and chairs. All were made from driftwood, oddly shaped pieces cunningly joined together and polished till they shone a deep gold in the candlelight. kleevedge, Springwatch, S. D and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back in Black-Snow Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 5:36 AM, Gnababa said: Has anyone ever noticed this? The Hobbit, chapter 1 A Feast for Crows, Brienne VI I noticed that when I first read that, allthough I had forgotten about it until reading this your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 There's a lot of stuff here, not easy to check on duplicates, but the sword forged from the heart of a star reflects a similar weapon in de Camp's The Tritonian Ring. In that story the protagonist is tasked with retrieving that which the Gods fear, which was a ring forged from a fallen star. The ring is lost (treacherous ringbearer eaten by crocodiles) so the protagonist obtains the fallen star and takes it to the only smith who can forge that metal. Instead of a ring he has a sword made. As it turns out, the reason the Gods feared the ring was that the star metal killed magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterblooms Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'm sure someone has already written about this: The Norse creation myth, from what I remember, says that the niflheim (world of ice) and a primordial world of fire (name escapes me) were separated by a huge chasm, and creation began when the ice and fire mingled, creating the first being. Has anyone done an analysis on this particular marriage of ice and fire and how it relates to the books? My instinct says that maybe he was inspired by the idea of ice and fire and took it to a while new place, but now I'm curious to see if any other readers who know far more about Norse mythology than me have already gone down this rabbit hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Bitterblooms said: I'm sure someone has already written about this: The Norse creation myth, from what I remember, says that the niflheim (world of ice) and a primordial world of fire (name escapes me) were separated by a huge chasm, and creation began when the ice and fire mingled, creating the first being. Has anyone done an analysis on this particular marriage of ice and fire and how it relates to the books? My instinct says that maybe he was inspired by the idea of ice and fire and took it to a while new place, but now I'm curious to see if any other readers who know far more about Norse mythology than me have already gone down this rabbit hole. Paste this into Google to start... niflheim site:asoiaf.westeros.org Edited March 22, 2018 by Lost Melnibonean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light a wight tonight Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 On the Norse thing, Thor had a cart pulled by two goats, Tooth Gnasher and Tooth Grinder, which describes Stannis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose on the Loose Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 In 1311 Mali Emperor Abubakari Keita II set sail with 2,000 ships to see what was on the other side of the Atlantic. None of the ships ever returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 I first heard of Eddison's "The Worm Ouroboros" from someone complaining that GRRM was just imitating the amorality of that story. I haven't actually read it myself (the deliberately old timey prose is a barrier, as are the silly names Eddison came up with when he was 10), but it occurred to me that the "cadaverous" Gorys Edoryen might be named after King Gorice of Witchland, who returns in a new "incarnation" each time a previous one dies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 @Leo of House Cartel came up with the idea that House Costayne might actually be a nod to the journalist Thomas B. Costain whose popular history on the Plantagenet kings George cites on his NAB as an inspiration for 'Fire and Blood'. Reading the first volume, 'The Conquering Family' right now, I can say that those books are not just an inspiration for FaB but the entire ASoIaF series. On 29.4.2018 at 8:13 AM, FictionIsntReal said: I first heard of Eddison's "The Worm Ouroboros" from someone complaining that GRRM was just imitating the amorality of that story. I haven't actually read it myself (the deliberately old timey prose is a barrier, as are the silly names Eddison came up with when he was 10), but it occurred to me that the "cadaverous" Gorys Edoryen might be named after King Gorice of Witchland, who returns in a new "incarnation" each time a previous one dies. I really like that thing. Never made the Gorice connection there, but it is a possibility. King Gorice isn't all that cadaverous, though. When he dies he just sort of shows up again, without any smelly side effects, and he actually has different talents in each incarnation (one is a sorcerer, the other a great warrior, etc.). But still, it could be a nod in that direction. George makes a lot of subtle nods I often completely miss because I don't know the source material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 Just to say that Costayne being a reference to Thomas Costain has been known for nearly two decades now. Their arms are a dead giveaway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 48 minutes ago, Ran said: Just to say that Costayne being a reference to Thomas Costain has been known for nearly two decades now. Their arms are a dead giveaway. Thought something like that. I'm not really good at stuff like that, especially not if I don't know the people that are referenced ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weirdo Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 On 4/29/2018 at 2:13 AM, FictionIsntReal said: I first heard of Eddison's "The Worm Ouroboros" from someone complaining that GRRM was just imitating the amorality of that story. I haven't actually read it myself (the deliberately old timey prose is a barrier, as are the silly names Eddison came up with when he was 10), but it occurred to me that the "cadaverous" Gorys Edoryen might be named after King Gorice of Witchland, who returns in a new "incarnation" each time a previous one dies. On 4/30/2018 at 4:27 PM, Lord Varys said: @Leo of House Cartel came up with the idea that House Costayne might actually be a nod to the journalist Thomas B. Costain whose popular history on the Plantagenet kings George cites on his NAB as an inspiration for 'Fire and Blood'. Reading the first volume, 'The Conquering Family' right now, I can say that those books are not just an inspiration for FaB but the entire ASoIaF series. I really like that thing. Never made the Gorice connection there, but it is a possibility. King Gorice isn't all that cadaverous, though. When he dies he just sort of shows up again, without any smelly side effects, and he actually has different talents in each incarnation (one is a sorcerer, the other a great warrior, etc.). But still, it could be a nod in that direction. George makes a lot of subtle nods I often completely miss because I don't know the source material. Since you guys mention it, the character I immediately think of is Petyr Baelish, who might be in part an homage to Eddison's Lord Gro. It's been years since I read it, but he is a character who tries to play multiple parties against each other; it culminates in him striking down both friend and foe on a battlefield, and saying it is all the same anyway. He also is desperately in love with a woman, which influences his strategies, and makes him into a tragic figure, although like Baelish, his expedient worldview makes him impossible to really like (at least for me). Especially in contrast to the characters around both of them who make great sacrifices in order to honor their commitments. Another more broad comparison is the sense of scale in both stories, both in time (many ages of history) and in the grandeur of the great houses. Big castles, big parties, prehistoric rivalries. There are also war atrocities that are shocking to read, against civilians. Not that that's rare in fantasy, but the way it's presented as a normal part of their wars, not an aberration, is a similarity between the two. The idea behind Gorice's cyclical existence might be compared to the Others, since he's always coming back, and always malevolent. I really love 'Ouroboros', and I enjoy working to decode the language as I go, it's kind of fun and not unlike the extra effort that goes into Shakespeare. I've just started Kingsnorth's 'The Wake' and I can see it's going to be a similar experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Melnibonean Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 I am thinking that this line line in which Catelyn considers Renly... She ate sparingly, while she watched this man who would be king. Catelyn II, Clash 22 ...is an allusion to "one of the the best stories in the world," The Man Who Would be King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springwatch Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Just been reading Mary Stewart's The Wicked Day (1983), a retelling of Mordred and the death of King Arthur. It doesn't flinch from the sex and violence in the tale, but it's a little romantic and slow by GRRM's standards. However, the period detail is excellent and I think he might have read it. There's an outrageously Cersei-like Queen Morgause, a theme of incest and the ambitions of bastards, and something in the writing style I can't quite put my finger on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FictionIsntReal Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 11 hours ago, Springwatch said: Just been reading Mary Stewart's The Wicked Day (1983), a retelling of Mordred and the death of King Arthur. It doesn't flinch from the sex and violence in the tale, but it's a little romantic and slow by GRRM's standards. However, the period detail is excellent and I think he might have read it. There's an outrageously Cersei-like Queen Morgause, a theme of incest and the ambitions of bastards, and something in the writing style I can't quite put my finger on. That reminds me of something: George has already acknowledged the influence of "The Accursed Kings", but I didn't realize just how closely his work resembles it until I watched the original French miniseries. Things like Cersei/Margaery being locked up on charges of adultery, the poisoning of the king, swapping out the infant heir to the throne before he can be murdered, a reminder that the common people suffer for the avarice of the nobility, even direct inspirations for certain characters are all in there. The biggest difference is that it's taken from history so there's no explicit magic (though a number of characters believe in magic curses). Combine Tolkien's Middle Earth with that series and you've basically got A Song of Ice and Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mwm Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 So, is anyone actually compiling these into a list for reference, as originally stated, or...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Barbrey Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Septon Meribald and Dog might be a nod to Alfred (appearance is very similar to the Septon's Plus He's bald!) and Dog from the Death Gate Cycle. Brienne's journey through the Riverlands is very like an allegorical journey to or through Hell/Hades; who better to accompany her to Death's Gate than Alfred, Dog, (and through Dog, Haplo)? This is pretty tenuous as I just thought of it and haven't read the Death Gate Cycle for 30 years, or Feast for a few years for that matter. But I will tag @sweetsunray because of the hell connection, and @Curled Finger because s/he was interested in Septon Meribald! Since I'm talking about the Death Gate Cycle, I'd like to recommend it for reading to fantasy lovers. It's largely overlooked nowadays, possibly because Weiss and Hickman have a bit of a rep as hacks re Dragonlance, but I think this series should be a classic, one of the most inventive things I've read in fantasy. It would surprise me not at all if GRRM was paying homage to bald Alfred and Dog via Meribald and Dog. Edited October 2, 2018 by Lady Barbrey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Snarks are an homage to Louis Caroll's "The Hunting of the Snark" Snarks are "distinguishing those that have feathers, and bite" and "from those that have whiskers, and scratch." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtherFromAnotherMother Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Has The Left Hand of Darkness been discussed in relation to ASoIaF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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