(F)Aegon's Kingsguard

[The Mountain That Flies]

After the Golden Company and (F)Aegon start taking over the Stormlands, the young king-to-be names Ser Rolly Duckfield as the first member of his Kingsguard. Jon Connington doesn't approve of this and wants the other six sports reserved for the sons of high lord in order to secure political alliances. Assuming the campaign continues to go well in WoW, who could be the choices for these roles?

Some possibilities:

1) Loras Tyrell: If Mace does defect and try and marry Margaery off to (F)Aegon, which many including myself think he will do, Loras would be a natural choice. He's served two kings already and is considered by many to be the finest warrior still alive. While he is very fond of Tommen, he's currently MIA and could be up to any number of things.

2) Lyn Corbray: A bit obscure and off (F)Aegon's radar, but he's known to have killed Lewyn Martell and wields Lady Forlorn, a Valyrian steel sword of great renown. Given the need stressed by Jon Con for famous and well-connected knights, Corbray could be a good connection to the Vale, though he is admittedly a bit older, and his victory over Martell is tainted with the public knowledge that Lewyn was already mortally wounded.

3) Darkstar: While I personally find the character annoying, Gerold Dayne is considered a highly skilled warrior in-universe, carries a very prestigious surname, and has connections to Arianne Martell (another potential bride for the mummer's dragon). Obviously the fact he's currently a wanted man makes this a bit unlikely, but with shake up in power that's occurring, who's to say this remains the status quo? Besides, Balon Swann may be getting lured into a trap by Obara Sand, so Darkstar could emerge as an ally of House Martell.

4) Balon Swann: I realize my previous entry could invalidate this one, but if (F)Aegon takes the throne and Swann is still alive, he might be kept on in the same way Lora could. He was a knight of considerable battle renown ever before the Blackwater, and his honor is so impeccable even Tyrion can't think of something snarky to say about him. If he comes out of the hunt for Darkstar unscathed and discovers the Lannisters out of power, he'll be in a Barristan Selmy-esque situation on what to do with his vows.

Obviously there are very good odds none of these guys get involved with (F)Aegon, and even if one does, they're all likely to face a harsh winter when Dany an the Others come calling. Even still, it's a development we could see in WoW, and I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Ice Turtle]

I'm not sure Tyrells will ally with Aegon, but besides that I agree.

[Volantis]

If his real name was in fact Aegon, then calling him faegon would be wrong, right? I mean, the real question is whether his last name is Targaryen or not

[SicBoy]

It is so annoying to see (F)Ageon. Is that just supposed to indicate the posters strong opinion of him?

[sumant30]

After the Golden Company and (F)Aegon start taking over the Stormlands, the young king-to-be names Ser Rolly Duckfield as the first member of his Kingsguard. Jon Connington doesn't approve of this and wants the other six sports reserved for the sons of high lord in order to secure political alliances. Assuming the campaign continues to go well in WoW, who could be the choices for these roles?

First of all it has not been proved that he is fake.

1) Loras Tyrell: If Mace does defect and try and marry Margaery off to (F)Aegon, which many including myself think he will do, Loras would be a natural choice. He's served two kings already and is considered by many to be the finest warrior still alive. While he is very fond of Tommen, he's currently MIA and could be up to any number of things.

Kings guard cannot switch loyalties that's why it is said a kings guard serves for life.

4) Balon Swann: I realize my previous entry could invalidate this one, but if (F)Aegon takes the throne and Swann is still alive, he might be kept on in the same way Lora could. He was a knight of considerable battle renown ever before the Blackwater, and his honor is so impeccable even Tyrion can't think of something snarky to say about him. If he comes out of the hunt for Darkstar unscathed and discovers the Lannisters out of power, he'll be in a Barristan Selmy-esque situation on what to do with his vows.

again my point (2)

[Usurper's Dog]

Kings guard cannot switch loyalties that's why it is said a kings guard serves for life.

The Kingsguard can absolutely switch loyalty, as represented by Barristan Selmy receiving a pardon by Robert and becoming Lord Commander. Yes, they are technically supposed to sacrifice themselves for their king, but if their king should die, and they still live, it is not required in their vows that they must then go and kill themselves.

IMO, Aegon's priority with the remaining Kingsguard positions will focus on reestablishing its greatness and reputation. This will be crucial to Aegon winning over the smallfolk (and many of the more honorable lords/knights). The Kingsguard was for centuries an institution of great renown, and since Cersei completely f'd that tradition by selecting a Kettleback and other unworthies it will fall to him to rectify the situation. I expect certain high lords to be honored with these selections, especially since its first member was Duck.

[aryagonnakill]

First of all it has not been proved that he is fake.

Kings guard cannot switch loyalties that's why it is said a kings guard serves for life.

again my point (2)

Writing (F)Aegon implies that you don't want to get into a controversy about whether he is fake or not, that was not the point at all here. And your second point is wrong as indicated above.

I think his kingsgaurd is largely a function of who he marries. If he were to marry Dany then Barristan, and Jorah are both options. If he marries Sansa the Hound and the blackfish are options, Margery would likely come with Loras, if he marries arriane and her father dies then Areo is an option.

[Black Wolf Smith]

The Kingsguard can absolutely switch loyalty, as represented by Barristan Selmy receiving a pardon by Robert and becoming Lord Commander. Yes, they are technically supposed to sacrifice themselves for their king, but if their king should die, and they still live, it is not required in their vows that they must then go and kill themselves.

The key word in this is pardon, and no it is unlikely that a KG would switch kings (unless the King he served died without issue) Selmy and Jaime would be exceptions, not the rule, and even Selmy says it was a mistake.

As to the OP, the Tyrells are married to the current royal family. Aegons KG will be made up from mostly families we have not seen, as they would be the few that would support him, at this time.

[the Scorpion Knight]

After the Golden Company and (F)Aegon start taking over the Stormlands, the young king-to-be names Ser Rolly Duckfield as the first member of his Kingsguard. Jon Connington doesn't approve of this and wants the other six sports reserved for the sons of high lord in order to secure political alliances. Assuming the campaign continues to go well in WoW, who could be the choices for these roles?

Some possibilities:

1) Loras Tyrell: If Mace does defect and try and marry Margaery off to (F)Aegon, which many including myself think he will do, Loras would be a natural choice. He's served two kings already and is considered by many to be the finest warrior still alive. While he is very fond of Tommen, he's currently MIA and could be up to any number of things.

2) Lyn Corbray: A bit obscure and off (F)Aegon's radar, but he's known to have killed Lewyn Martell and wields Lady Forlorn, a Valyrian steel sword of great renown. Given the need stressed by Jon Con for famous and well-connected knights, Corbray could be a good connection to the Vale, though he is admittedly a bit older, and his victory over Martell is tainted with the public knowledge that Lewyn was already mortally wounded.

3) Darkstar: While I personally find the character annoying, Gerold Dayne is considered a highly skilled warrior in-universe, carries a very prestigious surname, and has connections to Arianne Martell (another potential bride for the mummer's dragon). Obviously the fact he's currently a wanted man makes this a bit unlikely, but with shake up in power that's occurring, who's to say this remains the status quo? Besides, Balon Swann may be getting lured into a trap by Obara Sand, so Darkstar could emerge as an ally of House Martell.

4) Balon Swann: I realize my previous entry could invalidate this one, but if (F)Aegon takes the throne and Swann is still alive, he might be kept on in the same way Lora could. He was a knight of considerable battle renown ever before the Blackwater, and his honor is so impeccable even Tyrion can't think of something snarky to say about him. If he comes out of the hunt for Darkstar unscathed and discovers the Lannisters out of power, he'll be in a Barristan Selmy-esque situation on what to do with his vows.

Obviously there are very good odds none of these guys get involved with (F)Aegon, and even if one does, they're all likely to face a harsh winter when Dany an the Others come calling. Even still, it's a development we could see in WoW, and I'd like to hear your thoughts.

1) his brother garlan is better fitting

2) lewllyn is the big problem imho besides this guy is a pederast

3)I think he'll take the black

4) I think he'll join aegon to protect myrcella

[sumant30]

The Kingsguard can absolutely switch loyalty, as represented by Barristan Selmy receiving a pardon by Robert and becoming Lord Commander. Yes, they are technically supposed to sacrifice themselves for their king, but if their king should die, and they still live, it is not required in their vows that they must then go and kill themselves.

IMO, Aegon's priority with the remaining Kingsguard positions will focus on reestablishing its greatness and reputation. This will be crucial to Aegon winning over the smallfolk (and many of the more honorable lords/knights). The Kingsguard was for centuries an institution of great renown, and since Cersei completely f'd that tradition by selecting a Kettleback and other unworthies it will fall to him to rectify the situation. I expect certain high lords to be honored with these selections, especially since its first member was Duck.

As said by Black Wolf Smith

pardon is the important word over there a kings guard basically dies with the king.

Writing (F)Aegon implies that you don't want to get into a controversy about whether he is fake or not, that was not the point at all here. And your second point is wrong as indicated above.

If a assumption cannot be proved what is point in making it that was point over there and i agree it is besides this post, also i am not wrong regarding my second point as i have explained above.

[Grizzly Mormont]

I think he'll probably name Tyrion, Bran Stark, Sam Tarly, Doran Martell and Garlan Tyrell.

[The Manticore Knight]

I think he'll probably name Tyrion, Bran Stark, Sam Tarly, Doran Martell and Garlan Tyrell.

You forgot Theon. And I think even Jaime could fit in that list now lol

[the Scorpion Knight]

. And I think even Jaime could fit in that list now lol

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends in aegon kingguard for real

[The Mountain That Flies]

If his real name was in fact Aegon, then calling him faegon would be wrong, right? I mean, the real question is whether his last name is Targaryen or not

Fair point. I hadn't intended to start an argument over his legitimacy, so I'll just stick to Aegon VI from here on out.

1) his brother garlan is better fitting

2) lewllyn is the big problem imho besides this guy is a pederast

3)I think he'll take the black

4) I think he'll join aegon to protect myrcella

1) Garlan is better fitting, but has a wife and has been named Lord of Brightwater Keep. Since Loras has already renounced lands and a "wife", it seems like it would be wasier for him, even with shifting his vows.

2) Fair enough, but I suppose it depends on what the Vale winds up doing.

3) That could be very interesting

4) I'm still unsure whether Myrcella r Tommen will be the last of the Lanniester/Baratheon children to go, so she could be around to protect a while longer.

As to the OP, the Tyrells are married to the current royal family. Aegons KG will be made up from mostly families we have not seen, as they would be the few that would support him, at this time.

But from where? Westerlands are Lannister territory, so anyone from there seems unlikely. Riverlands, Crownlands, and the North are shot, and the Vale and Iron Islands are question marks. That leaves only Dorne and breakaway houses from the Reach to contribute.

I think his kingsgaurd is largely a function of who he marries. If he were to marry Dany then Barristan, and Jorah are both options. If he marries Sansa the Hound and the blackfish are options, Margery would likely come with Loras, if he marries arriane and her father dies then Areo is an option.

Areo could be interesting, especially since it would give a bit more of an arc to an otherwise bland character. I hadn't thought about the Hound or Blackfish, but injury and age would make me question whterh he would take them (also JonCon would probably object too much to Sandor). It would be interesting if Aegon VI does wind up marrying Dany to avert another Dance of the Dragons, so those two could work.

[the Scorpion Knight]

4) I'm still unsure whether Myrcella r Tommen will be the last of the Lanniester/Baratheon children to go, so she could be around to protect a while longer.

right now myrcella is marching straight thrpough GC terretory

[Black Wolf Smith]

But from where? Westerlands are Lannister territory, so anyone from there seems unlikely. Riverlands, Crownlands, and the North are shot, and the Vale and Iron Islands are question marks. That leaves only Dorne and breakaway houses from the Reach to contribute.

Why would you think that Riverlands, and Crownlands are shot? IMO he is unlikely to fill all of them(at least until he was the crown¹⁾) and he could name 2 or 3 more, there by making bonds with those families. Then hold off naming any more until after he has won the crown. I would also guess that since his men are on the east coast, that CL, RL and Dorne are the places from where most of his KG will come from.

1. Not saying that he will, just that would be the plan that JC will tell him to do. You would want to keep openings for important families that either would come over to your side late, or not at all to sure up peace after everything is done.

[The Mountain That Flies]

Why would you think that Riverlands, and Crownlands are shot? IMO he is unlikely to fill all of them(at least until he was the crown¹⁾) and he could name 2 or 3 more, there by making bonds with those families.

I was more implying that most of the acceptable Kingsguard candidates from these area were already dead, though it's obviously very difficult to gauge how many characters we haven't met yet that are still roaming both areas. Also the CL weren't nearly as badly damaged as the RL, but anyone with the sword skills to be KG would have been fully involved in the fighting.

[Grizzly Mormont]

are there baratheons left outside of stannis' wife and daughter? (Roberts' bastards excluded)

[Grizzly Mormont]

are there baratheons left outside of stannis' wife and daughter? (Roberts' bastards excluded)

[The Mountain That Flies]

are there baratheons left outside of stannis' wife and daughter? (Roberts' bastards excluded)

None that we're aware of. Steffon Baratheon didn't seem to have any siblings, so unless there is a random cadet branch out there, I doubt there'll be any war hammer-wiedling members of any Kingsguard.