Anonomaly Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Okay, let's assume that eventually Daenerys will get off her royal ass and get to Westeros, and let's assume that Stannis survives the siege on Winterfell one way or the other.Once he knows about her, will Stannis drop his cause and declare to Dany?I tend to think he will. Stannis is all about duty. He told Davos that the reason he keeps fighting for the throne is not for pride or hungering for power, but because he feels its his duty. He knows he's the rightful heir to the throne and that an impostor sits on it, and feels that he must take the throne back to make things right and to better the realm.Considering that he learns that the Targaryen heir (some might even say true heir) is still alive, will he stay as adamant?Again in a conversation with Davos, Stannis confesses that he was torn between choosing his duty for his King or to his brother, and implies that he isn't completely comfortable with it. Now he will have the chance to make things right by helping put the proper (?) heir on the throne and still rid the realm of the impostors.But what about reasons for him to keep fighting?First of all, he has his honor and duty, which I addressed above. Second of all, he has his family and his subjects. I think it's safe to assume that if Stannis will be quick enough to declare for Dany, that along with a good word from Barristan (also assuming he'll be alive, he can't deny Stannis' honor, same as he spoke for Ned) could be enough to persuade Dany to give Stannis Storm's End back and maybe even a seat on her council if he proves to be a useful adviser. That'll also take care of anyone who followed him.What about Melisandre? Stannis always used her to his advantage, at least from his point of view. He took up his cause before she came to Dragonstone, so the motivation obviously came from within. I believe no matter what she says, Stannis will stay true to what he feels is right. And who knows, if she's not too dense she might realize what power Dany will probably have against the Great Other and take up her cause as well.And, to top it all off, I think even Stannis will know to back down when he could be in the middle of another Field of Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Bout that time again for another Stannis vs. Dany thread, huh?No, I very much doubt Stannis will bend the knee to Daenerys. The Targaryen claim is based on conquest, so the moment they lost Robert's Rebellion, they lost their claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Okay, let's assume that eventually Daenerys will get off her royal ass and get to Westeros, and let's assume that Stannis survives the siege on Winterfell one way or the other.Once he knows about her, will Stannis drop his cause and declare to Dany?First, the answer to any question beginning with "Will Stannis yield..." is "No". Second...Considering that he learns that the Targaryen heir (some might even say true heir) is still alive, will he stay as adamant?He learns? There always have been Targ heirs around. Viserys and Dany. Everyone knew about them. That's not news. Also, Robert's heir and current head of House Baratheon is literally the last person in the world to support Targaryen restoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gar Weg Wun Sygerrik Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 /fetches popcorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Add to that the fact that Dany isn't the Targaryen heir, and you got a number of reasons on your hands already. Or the fact that Stannis is the only one of the 'usurper's dogs' :stillsick: still alive, and I can see how Stannis doesn't even get an incentive to yield to Dany, ever.No. In this instance, Stannis would break before he bends. Add to that the idea of Stannis yielding to Dany, a ruler as unjust an incompetent as they come... Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWizard Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 This thread topic always pops up every couple weeks. Theres really no point even discussing it. The only answer is HELL NO. Stannis will not bow to Dany EVER. Dany could be outside of Stannis' castle with 10,000 men and all three of her dragons while stannis is in there with 5 men and Stannis would still tell her to fuck off and bring it on. Stannis will not stop fighting. Thats why Tywin was worried about him even tho he just defeated him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flidderman Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 He already chose family over duty. No going back on that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealbando Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Absolutely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 No. Stannis is not only the baratheon heir but the targ heir as well. Targ females don't inherit since the dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow ... mother of dragons, slayer of lies ...Stannis will not yield to Dany. They will come into conflict, which Stannis will regret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonomaly Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 He learns? There always have been Targ heirs around. Viserys and Dany. Everyone knew about them. That's not news. He knows they are probably hiding in some Braavosi sewer, if they're even still alive. He doesn't know about Dany's marriage to Drogo, Viserys' death, Dany's dragons or her rise to power. It kinda changes stuff.Add to that the fact that Dany isn't the Targaryen heir, and you got a number of reasons on your hands already. Or the fact that Stannis is the only one of the 'usurper's dogs' :stillsick: still alive, and I can see how Stannis doesn't even get an incentive to yield to Dany, ever.True about the Usurper's Dogs, but Dany slowly starts to realise the rebellion might have been justified and that her family weren't as good rulers as she thinks they are. And again, Barristan is probably the person she listens to the most, especially when it comes to Westerosi stuff. He would know that Stannis doesn't turn cloaks twice a week and that he would be a tremendous advantage if he were on her side.He already chose family over duty. No going back on that now.Barristan also declared to Robert and served him for years. He went back to serving the Targaryens.Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow ... mother of dragons, slayer of lies ...That part seems to be talking more of recent events. At the time it was shortly after Renly was killed by the shadow assassin. Slayer of lies can be a million things, not just another King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 No.First off, Daenerys' existence isn't a secret to Stannis; he was the man who led the siege of Dragonstone, which forced Viserys and the newborn Daenerys to flee to Essos. And having sat on Robert's council for 15 years, he'd be well aware two of Aerys' children were traipsing around.Second, and most importantly, Stannis bases his claim upon Robert's, which was essentially one of right of conquest. Given that all the lords of the Seven Kingdoms acknowledged Robert's claim, there can be no dispute that Stannis considers himself heir to the lawful Baratheon dynasty, and that claim trumps all other claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Penguin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 He will grind his teeth and then he'll test if Targs are really immune to fire (they aren't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Hell no./fetches popcorn and waits for the usual arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow ... mother of dragons, slayer of lies ...Stannis will not yield to Dany. They will come into conflict, which Stannis will regret.Never take a day off do you? Dany defense force is lucky to have ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Never take a day off do you? Dany defense force is lucky to have ya!Dude WTF happened to your avatar?!?!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow ... mother of dragons, slayer of lies ...Stannis will not yield to Dany. They will come into conflict, which Stannis will regret.- She slays the lies (lol) not (neccesserly) the one who tells them. (which would be actually Mel, since she is the one who sais Stannis is AA) And a lot of the people who follow Stannis do not follow him because of the AA thing.By the way she certainly doesn't rush slaying the lies she is telling hershelf. cough*Usurperdogs*cough cough*targsdon'tgetsick*cough.Or since none of those were in the prophecies does that mean she never slais those lies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Dude WTF happened to your avatar?!?!?!?Nvm, it's back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Donnel Noye summed up ol' stick in the mud Stan pretty well. He'll break before he bends.I personally don't see it very likely Dany and Stan will ever meet up however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They see me R'hollin Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I think Stannis would rather die than bend the knee to Dany. Not out of pride, but just that he sees himself as the ultimate heir. Just because Dany is an heir within herself doesn't mean she has a better claim than Stannis. Stannis fought in Robert's Rebellion and had a place on the council meaning, for everything he felt towards his brother, he acknowledges that the Targaryen dynasty is truly over and that the Baratheon's are the royal family. Just because Dany shows up again doesn't mean he will ever bend the knee. A lot we learn of Stannis character is that he doesn't necessarily want the throne, he just sees it as his by right and also that he doesn't particularly care for his own life so to speak. Several times he heads into battle and puts his own life on the line stating to put his daughter on the Iron Throne if he should fail. I don't think he'll bend the knee to protect his own longevity. Basically, he IS the ultimate heir to the throne and no-one is deserving of it more than him, so he would die before he bent the knee. The great thing about Stannis is he is a king even though he doesn't sit on the Iron throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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