Small questions v.10002

[evita mgfs]

Something like that is more likely just sloppy writing (the man does an amazing job most of the time but everyone makes mistakes.) rather than the old gods taking an active hand to help Robb lift an elk of all things.

:bowdown: :bowdown: RUMHAM: You are absolutely right - but I do not equate Martin with "sloppiness", if you know what I mean? His prose is usually detail specific. Alas, Martin is "human" after all! I see the structure of the works. I am part of AGoT Reread. and I perceive that Martin artistically sets up the events that follow through to a conclusion, or they are still waiting to be resolved, in his series of novels that follow. I also agree that Marting does an AMAZING JOB.

I was afraid I had somehow missed some part of the narrative where Robb was characterized as especially "strong".

Thank you very much for responding.

[callmedodge]

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

[Ser Grimes]

Who betrayed Ariannes queenmaking plot to her father?

[WhiteWolf26]

Who betrayed Ariannes queenmaking plot to her father?

Currently unknown.

[mattah84]

Who betrayed Ariannes queenmaking plot to her father?

i think it was darkstar. he may have told doran about ariannes plan and when dorans men arrived tried to kill myrcella to start a war with the lannisters. he did mention to arianne that her plan would not work and they should kill myrcella to begin the war. doran also did mention thatthat darkstar is the most dangerous man in dorne.

[WhiteWolf26]

i think it was darkstar. he may have told doran about ariannes plan and when dorans men arrived tried to kill myrcella to start a war with the lannisters. he did mention to arianne that her plan would not work and they should kill myrcella to begin the war. doran also did mention thatthat darkstar is the most dangerous man in dorne.

Good theory. Still not factual.

[Black Wolf Smith]

i think it was darkstar. he may have told doran about ariannes plan and when dorans men arrived tried to kill myrcella to start a war with the lannisters. he did mention to arianne that her plan would not work and they should kill myrcella to begin the war. doran also did mention thatthat darkstar is the most dangerous man in dorne.

Since he seemed the most upset by it being stopped, and then tried to kill Myrcella, I think that it is unlikely him.

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

We don't know why Ice is called Ice. We don't know why the Starks were the Kings of Winter. We don't know why the North remembers, even thou it doesn't seem like they really do remember.

[rmholt]

I've got no good explanation for how he lifted an elk, although it is never stated that it is a full-grown elk. As to how he got it on the horse, these would be horses specifically trained to take kills on their back I suspect. The reason I posted though was to thankyou for making me re-read that scene, it is awesome.

People pack out game all the time. They do it by cutting the animal up into manageable pieces. He could have had the elk cut up into a few pieces and placed them on the horse. It would be a pitiful horse not trained to take game on its back. We have primitive areas in my State that are open to hunting but not to motorized vehicles. I imagine horses come in handy and I imagine people get their game on the horses OK. My ex killed a deer (smaller but he was out of shape) and packed it from one hill to another (down and up and back again) by cutting it in half. He didnt have a chainsaw or any other fancy equipment. He slung the parts into his pickup truck. Oh, and he killed it with a flintlock.

[GreyBoy]

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

I have always taken it to mean that the north remembers when Aegon the conquerer came and killed and drove off the norths friends the children of the forest and then destroying their religion by bringing the seven across the sea and chopping down weirwoods. Also Aegon made the king in the north Torrhen Stark kneel.

[Stannis Eats No Peaches]

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

Perhaps because they weren't conquered by the Andals, their "memory" goes back further. :dunno:

I seem to use that smiley a lot in this thread. :leaving:

[rmholt]

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

As to the meaning it means the North remembers EVERYTHING. Look at Nan and her stories. Check out the tombs.

[callmedodge]

I`m beginning to think it means more. That It`s something to do with north beyond the wall that`s trickled down or something else. Then again, we`ve never heard a wildling say it, so probably not.

[-Ghost-]

Is there any mention of if the ravens have any tags or something to tell where the bird came from? Or do they only have the wax seal and if the author of the letter signed their name to go by?

Also, children of bastards sometimes change their surname or add to it, but is there any law that says they cant choose the name of an already established house? Say you were the son of a bastard in the Reach and were ashamed of the name Flowers, could you take the name Stark if you wanted? Or maybe a name that you could slightly change like Flynt instead of Flint? Or would this be something they would kill you for?

[-Ghost-]

Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "The North remembers."?

I personally think it has to do with the fact that out of all the kingdoms, the North has changed the least. They still have the same ruling family that they have had for like 8000 years and still do things the way they used to back then, for the most part. They still love the Starks and havent forgotten where they came from.

[Yukle]

Is there any mention of if the ravens have any tags or something to tell where the bird came from? Or do they only have the wax seal and if the author of the letter signed their name to go by?

Also, children of bastards sometimes change their surname or add to it, but is there any law that says they cant choose the name of an already established house? Say you were the son of a bastard in the Reach and were ashamed of the name Flowers, could you take the name Stark if you wanted? Or maybe a name that you could slightly change like Flynt instead of Flint? Or would this be something they would kill you for?

First of all, no you can't tell beyond the seal on the letter with the exception of ravens from Oldtown that tell the seasons. These ravens are white, which is deliberate, and they serve no other purpose other than to alert the changing weather.

As for your second question, taking a name that isn't yours would be the same as impersonating nobility unlawfully. If there wasn't a specific law for it, it'd still be a common law expectation that impersonating nobility carries a heavy sentence.

[Lady Gwynhyfvar]

As to the meaning it means the North remembers EVERYTHING. Look at Nan and her stories. Check out the tombs.

Or ask the Manderleys and Freys ;)

[Lady Gwynhyfvar]

People pack out game all the time. They do it by cutting the animal up into manageable pieces. He could have had the elk cut up into a few pieces and placed them on the horse. It would be a pitiful horse not trained to take game on its back. We have primitive areas in my State that are open to hunting but not to motorized vehicles. I imagine horses come in handy and I imagine people get their game on the horses OK. My ex killed a deer (smaller but he was out of shape) and packed it from one hill to another (down and up and back again) by cutting it in half. He didnt have a chainsaw or any other fancy equipment. He slung the parts into his pickup truck. Oh, and he killed it with a flintlock.

I think I'm sticking with sloppy writing. As @Lady Evyta pointed out, Robb was only gone about a quarter of an hour. Probably not enough time to cut up a large animal? Also, there remains the problem of what happened to the thing during the ensuing fight with the wildlings. I'm not a trained cavalry rider, but I don't see a horse burdened with the carcass of a dead elk doing a lot of charging, plunging down banks and riding people down without the thing falling off or getting in the way. Sorry, GRRM :(

[rmholt]

I think I'm sticking with sloppy writing. As @Lady Evyta pointed out, Robb was only gone about a quarter of an hour. Probably not enough time to cut up a large animal? Also, there remains the problem of what happened to the thing during the ensuing fight with the wildlings. I'm not a trained cavalry rider, but I don't see a horse burdened with the carcass of a dead elk doing a lot of charging, plunging down banks and riding people down without the thing falling off or getting in the way. Sorry, GRRM :(

Do you have any experience at all with this kind of thing? I imagine Robb was pretty strong as well and may have been able to sling an elk over the horse's back on his own. Perhaps the elk fell off when he was fighting wildlings but in any case if it was properly secured, the horse could probably have handled a few comparatively unarmed wildlings on foot with an elk and Robb. I imagine he took a hunting horse out.

From the little I know it doesnt take much time (1 hour?) to debone and quarter an elk and once you do that you are down to 200-300 lb, even with a 200 lb Robb his horse should be able to handle it. More than a quarter of an hour, but there is no time duration in the book.

[Black Wolf Smith]

I have always taken it to mean that the north remembers when Aegon the conquerer¹ came and killed and drove off the norths friends the children of the forest and then destroying their religion by bringing the seven across the sea and chopping down weirwoods². Also Aegon made the king in the north Torrhen Stark kneel.

1. The North remembers is likely older then 300 years.

2. The Andals (like the FM before them) cut down trees, and brought the Seven with them.

[Black Wolf Smith]

Also, children of bastards sometimes change their surname or add to it, but is there any law that says they cant choose the name of an already established house? Say you were the son of a bastard in the Reach and were ashamed of the name Flowers, could you take the name Stark if you wanted? Or maybe a name that you could slightly change like Flynt instead of Flint? Or would this be something they would kill you for?

No one would take an established name. It would likely bring the estabished house wrath down on them. If a bastard were to become a knight, or made a mark and was building his house, he may well change his name, and possibly even a version of the name of a house they came from, but not name its self, unless they were made legit.