Fire Eater Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Does Theon know that Roose Bolton killed Robb?I was just wondering, in the off chance Theon would want to or had the opportunity to avenge Robb.I don't think Theon does know. It's not exactly something Roose Bolton would tell in the North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukle Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Does Theon know that Roose Bolton killed Robb?I was just wondering, in the off chance Theon would want to or had the opportunity to avenge Robb.He'd probably treat anything he hears about the Red Wedding with scepticism even if he was told. After all, there are stories from the Freys that Robb turned into a wolf and started attacking everyone, maiming the poor innocent Freys.Also, he isn't in the right frame of mind. While he probably hasn't been told, he fears Roose so much that he'd see it as another sign of Roose's power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohit39 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Currently on my ACOK re-read, and i was wondering, is there any mention or clue in the text about exactly when LF started plotting his whole kidnap Sansa plan? Or even any theories. Was it before he went to Highgarden to treat with the Tyrells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Waters Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Thanks for those who pointed out the relevant section; rereading that Jon chapter, I think I get it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Currently on my ACOK re-read, and i was wondering, is there any mention or clue in the text about exactly when LF started plotting his whole kidnap Sansa plan? Or even any theories. Was it before he went to Highgarden to treat with the Tyrells?I think his original plan was probably to get Ned killed and somehow woo a widowed cat and become lord of Winterfell as a big fuck you to the Starks. Presumably sometime after he met Sansa (at the tourney of the hand I think?) he figured out he could reach the same end with a younger/prettier wife (who happened to look a lot like the Cat he grew up with.) We know from Cersei that he first offered to marry Sansa shortly after Ned's imprisonment, but was told he was too lowborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcd52 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think his original plan was probably to get Ned killed and somehow woo a widowed cat and become lord of Winterfell as a big fuck you to the Starks. Presumably sometime after he met Sansa (at the tourney of the hand I think?) he figured out he could reach the same end with a younger/prettier wife (who happened to look a lot like the Cat he grew up with.) We know from Cersei that he first offered to marry Sansa shortly after Ned's imprisonment, but was told he was too lowborn.His ultimate plan was marrying Catelyn. Rescuing her daughter was probably one of his sub-plots to ingratiate himself with her.He stopped the Tyrells from sending Sansa to Highgarden.I'm SURE he knew he could count on Cersei to execute Tyrion for Joffrey's murder.Catelyn wasn't supposed to die at the Twins - just be held hostage. He could certainly have been given her hand by a grateful crown.Frankly, I think Harry the Heir's days are numbered. Whether LF will let him have his wedding night, or slip in himself (as Viserys planned to do with Dany), he and Sansa's child would have claims to the North and the Aerie. Eliminate Edmure and his child and you add Riverrun to his holdings. Your basic "Take THAT, Hoster Tully!" Not bad for a low born little finger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 His ultimate plan was marrying Catelyn. Rescuing her daughter was probably one of his sub-plots to ingratiate himself with her.Again, I think his plan changed when he met Sansa. Otherwise why offer to marry her while Ned was in the black cells?Catelyn wasn't supposed to die at the Twins - just be held hostage. He could certainly have been given her hand by a grateful crown.Marrying Catelyn wouldn't give him a claim to Winterfell, marrying Sansa does (assuming Rob, Bran and Rickon are dead.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petyr Baller Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 At Castle Black, Jon fought glamour Mance, not Rattleshirt, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 At Castle Black, Jon fought glamour Mance, not Rattleshirt, right?That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheButcherCrow Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think his original plan was probably to get Ned killed and somehow woo a widowed cat and become lord of Winterfell as a big fuck you to the Starks. Presumably sometime after he met Sansa (at the tourney of the hand I think?) he figured out he could reach the same end with a younger/prettier wife (who happened to look a lot like the Cat he grew up with.) We know from Cersei that he first offered to marry Sansa shortly after Ned's imprisonment, but was told he was too lowborn.By extension then, LF getting Lysa to off Jon Arryn was essentially just to get Ned to KL (so he could somehow arrange his death, the possibilities are endless as to how he could accomplish that), as he knew Robert would name Ned the new hand. It also served to indulge LF's sick need to mess with Lysa. I like this line of thought, it does make sense. Do you think then that LF expected Cat to come with Ned to KL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areacode201 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Robb called his banners in AGOT/ACOK why didn't the mountain clans of the North (flints, liddles, etc) respond to the call? Were they called.I ask because thinking about ADWD and the mountain men that Stannis was able to recruit, it seems that they were a more or less unspent force. If Robb didn't call them to aid his war effort well... why didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealbando Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 How good of a fighter is Ilyn Payne? Does he rank somewhere at the top or is he more of an avarage fighter who`s only good at cutting people`s head of when their held down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 How good of a fighter is Ilyn Payne? Does he rank somewhere at the top or is he more of an avarage fighter who`s only good at cutting people`s head of when their held down?An average fighter I think. Jaime began to improve against him and I think he said after one of their fights he would've only died twice. If Payne was awesome, Jaime would've died ten times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ghost- Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Bran calls Cold Hands a monster like Old Nans stories then asks about the 3EC, Cold Hands starts telling him stuff then the door flys open to their hut and he says "Your monster, Brandon Stark." And all the crows keep saying "yours."Was he talking about himself or BR? If he is talking about himself, does he mean because he is there to help Bran or is there something more to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a white raven Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Does Tyrion want to stay married to Sansa?Good question, I would say yes, I believe he does. We know he 'wants' her from the scene the night of their wedding, and it seems like he appreciated her to some degree at least.At Joffrey's wedding feast while Sansa is making courtesies and mingling he thinks to himself:"She is good at this""She would have made Joffrey a good queen and a better wife if he’d had the sense to love her." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daario's*before*Snows Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Robb called his banners in AGOT/ACOK why didn't the mountain clans of the North (flints, liddles, etc) respond to the call? Were they called.I ask because thinking about ADWD and the mountain men that Stannis was able to recruit, it seems that they were a more or less unspent force. If Robb didn't call them to aid his war effort well... why didn't he?I think they were called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Robb called his banners in AGOT/ACOK why didn't the mountain clans of the North (flints, liddles, etc) respond to the call? Were they called.I ask because thinking about ADWD and the mountain men that Stannis was able to recruit, it seems that they were a more or less unspent force. If Robb didn't call them to aid his war effort well... why didn't he?At least some were sent south with Robb. I know there was a Flint killed at the red wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pepper Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 This scene is in the throne room. Sansa has previously been slapped around by Trant and then later dragged to watch. After this, she's taken to look upon the heads of her father and household.A woman fell to her knees to plead for the head of a man executed as a traitor. She had loved him, she said, and she wanted to see him decently buried. “If you loved a traitor, you must be a traitor too,” Joffrey said. Two gold cloaks dragged her off to the dungeons.Anyone have any ideas about whose head this woman was claiming or what later happened to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lux in Tenebris Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Ulmer of the Night's watch is boasting about his days in the Kingswood Brotherhood (ASOS), he mentions "stealing a kiss from a Dornish princess" given the time frame, it HAD to be Elia, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 When Ulmer of the Night's watch is boasting about his days in the Kingswood Brotherhood (ASOS), he mentions "stealing a kiss from a Dornish princess" given the time frame, it HAD to be Elia, right?Yes, he put an arrow through the hand of LC of the KG Gerold Hightower in the event he supposedly kissed Elia. In this case, some members of the KG may have been acting as the honor guard for Elia when she was traveling to KL to marry Rhaegar. The road from Sunspear to KL is through the Kingswood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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